Tractor News New Holland going out of business???

[crazyal]

Compare bottom lines/corporate totals....Mahindra is nowhere near in the same league as Deere Inc, CNH, or AGCO no matter how you juggle the numbers for sales propaganda's sake. Deere, CNH, AGCO aren't one trick ponies.....Deere for instance has AG line, Consumer Products, Forestry, Turf (ie golf course), Construction/industrial.....Mahindra counts ONLY tractors in the same size range as what they produce, and doesn't include models built/sold by other brands that are smaller or larger, or industrial models. Count EVERY tractor sold by a specific brand, and I've heard that CNH wins that round with Case construction, New Holland construction, Case ag, New Holland Ag, ect....

But based strictly on who's total sales numbers are the highest, Deere wins in a landslide.

Last time I looked, Deere Inc and Caterpillar (if you want to count them in as an ag builder based on their interest in Challenger tractor line/Lexicon combines) are the only ag manufacturer in Dow Jones 30 industrials....(30 largest industrials NOT a utility or rail)

Interesting way of looking at it. I'm not sure if I would care if the brand I was buying also made golf carts, industrial dump trucks, or for that matter large ag tractors since they have very little in common with a CUT. Plus a company that sells a diverse line is more likely to drop or sell off a division, like say CUTs, to someone else or decide there's not enough profit and get out of the market than say Kubota who's main focus is CUTs.

 

[WilliamBos]

Interesting way of looking at it. I'm not sure if I would care if the brand I was buying also made golf carts, industrial dump trucks, or for that matter large ag tractors since they have very little in common with a CUT. Plus a company that sells a diverse line is more likely to drop or sell off a division, like say CUTs, to someone else or decide there's not enough profit and get out of the market than say Kubota who's main focus is CUTs.

Having all of your eggs in one basket in these economic times is not always smart. If sales in one division is slow, there will always be a stronger division with in the company. Not to mention having more R&D, a broader parts base, and a stronger network.

And diversity gets more people from a broader range walking into the dealership looking to shop.

 

[hosspuller]

Having Deere turf, ag and construction machines in my stable, The stonger line works for me. I get parts for all three machines from a construction dealer, just because he is close to me. The price is the same, just some parts are stocked, while I might have to wait for the regular stock run for others. If I pay for overnite freight, I can have almost anything the next day.:laughing:

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Interesting way of looking at it. I'm not sure if I would care if the brand I was buying also made golf carts, industrial dump trucks, or for that matter large ag tractors since they have very little in common with a CUT. Plus a company that sells a diverse line is more likely to drop or sell off a division, like say CUTs, to someone else or decide there's not enough profit and get out of the market than say Kubota who's main focus is CUTs.

Based on what FACTS? Cite one example of Deere selling off a major product line. A company with a diverse product line is in a MUCH better position to withstand a slow year or two than a one trick pony sort of company. All you have to do is look at history. Deere has stood strong through every "hard times" that can be thrown at 'em...While most of their competitors stumbled and fell along the way. Deere is the biggest. They're the oldest continuous "name". The proof is hard to deny. No...make that IMPOSSIBLE to deny....

 

[5030]

Good Gawd....

This started out as a blue question and no we have the hatfields and mccoys duking it out over green and yellow.

What is this world coming to??

My .02 is, I buy what best fits my specifications and wallet. I'm colorblind.:confused2:

 

[JoeinTX]

"Last time I looked, Deere Inc and Caterpillar (if you want to count them in as an ag builder based on their interest in Challenger tractor line/Lexicon combines) are the only ag manufacturer in Dow Jones 30 industrials....(30 largest industrials NOT a utility or rail)...."


Except the Challenger tractor line is AGCO's (has been since 2002 in a sweetheart deal with Cat) and the Lexions are Claas's that carried the Cat name for a brief time but carry the Claas name today. Cat does not actively participate or market in the ag field today.

 

[WilliamBos]

"Last time I looked, Deere Inc and Caterpillar (if you want to count them in as an ag builder based on their interest in Challenger tractor line/Lexicon combines) are the only ag manufacturer in Dow Jones 30 industrials....(30 largest industrials NOT a utility or rail)...."

Except the Challenger tractor line is AGCO's (has been since 2002 in a sweetheart deal with Cat) and the Lexions are Claas's that carried the Cat name for a brief time but carry the Claas name today. Cat does not actively participate or market in the ag field today.

The track & under carriage, Cat powershift are the only CAT built things. CLAAS builds the best combine PERIOD.

 

[JoeinTX]

"The bigger models are made by other companies and sold by CNH. Why not go ahead and sell one color even if it is Fiat color, except for the models made by someone else. What about combines and stuff. The Case combine is nothing like the Fiat....."

I'm not sure what you're on about here. CNH produces its own large tractors. They are an amalgamation of Euro and North American division influences but they are designed and built to be sold internationally uniformly. FIAT ceded a great deal in the entire Ford Ag (and later Case Ag) deals......they gave up their name and color. "FIAT" no longer exists in the ag world. As for combines, the Case and NH machines are the same critter under the paint these days and they are extensions of the Case designed machines. NH Europe is a bit different as FIAT had affiliations with Laverda (since purchased by AGCO) with their combines.

 

[crazyal]

Based on what FACTS? Cite one example of Deere selling off a major product line. A company with a diverse product line is in a MUCH better position to withstand a slow year or two than a one trick pony sort of company. All you have to do is look at history. Deere has stood strong through every "hard times" that can be thrown at 'em...While most of their competitors stumbled and fell along the way. Deere is the biggest. They're the oldest continuous "name". The proof is hard to deny. No...make that IMPOSSIBLE to deny....

I have no doubt Deere stands behind it's product, never meant to imply it didn't. But of the "big three" (Deere, NH, and Kubota) in terms of market share of CUT sales only one still makes their own tractors.

But getting back to the point, large companies tend to make decisions based on things like projections and charts. If Fiat decides that they no longer want to be in the tractor market then they will sell it. Just look at IBM, they've sold their Laptop division, their computer printer division, and their hard drive division.

 

[crazyal]

Having all of your eggs in one basket in these economic times is not always smart. If sales in one division is slow, there will always be a stronger division with in the company. Not to mention having more R&D, a broader parts base, and a stronger network.

And diversity gets more people from a broader range walking into the dealership looking to shop.

And when you are just one division of a large multinational conglomerate each division needs to go to the board and compete against the other divisions and make it's case as to how much money it gets to operate. It's a double edges sword. In tough times the other divisions can keep you afloat. But in tough times when the board members are getting nervous about the bottom line you could find yourself on the chopping block.

Not saying you or farmswithjunk is wrong, just a difference of point of view. That and since I work for a very large company and have been on the receiving end of corporates some times bewildering decisions I'm probably a little jaded in my views.