Clearing slash & stumps from logging for Horse Pasture

   / Clearing slash & stumps from logging for Horse Pasture #21  
David:
I have had personal experience with your situation and I have a few thoughts.

First, you must weigh time versus money. If you need this done as soon as possible, your only option is to hire a professional to get the results you want. If you can take time, and here I mean 2-3 years, you can do it all yourself.

We had 75 acres of mixed hardwoods and pines logged on our property in 2004. In 2005, I planned a budget of $5000 to remove stumps and burn tops to open a 5 acre field that we could use as pasture, row crops, or whatever. This was in an area that was clear cut, with select cut areas north and south of the field. I hired a guy with a track hoe to dig stumps, and he ate up $3500 of my budget in a couple of weeks, cleared about 1.5 acres, and left 3 piles of stumps in the middle of my field. I then hired a guy with a dozer and root rake that piled and burned slash on about 1 additional acre of the field and was able to completely burn one of the three piles of stumps. The dozer work costs me about $800 for one day's work. This netted me about 1 acre on the east side of the field and a little more than an acre on the west side of the field, and approximately 3 acres in the middle that remained a mess. I used my Kubota L185 and a 4' disc harrow to plow the open areas of the field and let the area between the two cleaned parts grow up in weeds, sweet gum trees, tallow trees, and a few young pine trees, because the skidder ruts in this area were too deep and too scary to tackle with my small tractor. I plowed the open areas twice yearly, and made small forays into the edges of the center area with the disc and bush hog, and decided to try to get the center area cleared up this summer.

With the help of a couple of neighbors with small tractors we were able to get the center part bush hogged this summer and had started to disc it when a crew moved into an adjacent area that had just been clear cut and was being prepped for replanting. I was able to get them to bring a dozer with a V blade in for 3 hours at a cost of $300 and they leveled the entire field, and pushed through my two remaining stump piles and leveled those areas out for me. I was amazed that the stumps in the two brush piles had rotted down to almost nothing. We had a pile of debris after the dozer work that would barely fill a pickup truck bed.

I am confident that with time, you can clean up your field with your tractor and save some money. Just use your FEL to make a pile of the dried slash, spray on a little diesel, and set it alight. Plow around the pile to a distance you are comfortable with, wait for a day with no wind, start the fire when the area is damp, and you should be OK.

A couple of other points; the forestry service may come out and do the burning for you; I know that they offer that service in Louisiana, but it may have been contingent upon you reforesting the area. You might also check with the state agriculture agency, as they may be able to offer you assistance with burning the slash if you plan to convert the area to pasture. Also, we found that the piles of ashes remained hot and could have been a fire danger as much as a week after we had the slash pile burned. It was mostly branches, and tops from young pine trees, and while the area was covered by soil and ash, I was still a little apprehensive about fire getting out for a few days after we burned the slash pile.

Good luck with your project, and remember that if you want to use the whole area now; hiring a professional to do the cleanup is your best option.
 
   / Clearing slash & stumps from logging for Horse Pasture
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David:
I have had personal experience with your situation and I have a few thoughts.

First, you must weigh time versus money. If you need this done as soon as possible, your only option is to hire a professional to get the results you want. If you can take time, and here I mean 2-3 years, you can do it all yourself.

Good luck with your project, and remember that if you want to use the whole area now; hiring a professional to do the cleanup is your best option.

gparrish,

I am currently debating this exact thing.

Just getting the tractor, and only spending a couple hours I have managed to "discover" what might be more than an acre of GRASS.

I think I could use T poles and set up a quickie fence and move the one horse we have boarded ASAP. And that would be HUGE.

That makes me think I could do this all my self.

Then I drive my tractor to the edge of the wasteland I need cleared. I have 4 slash piles 4-5' tall. I have a couple smaller. I have Hawthorne groves that are 6-7' tall and I cannot see where the stumps are under them.

I have a pile of 15-20' bucked logs the loggers left behind that is right where the loader was located. I feel like they should be easy to grapple and go move them to a place where I can buck them into firewood. Problem is that I'm using my bush-hog as ballast right now, and the logs are 90 deg from where I can grapple them, and one side is a muddy bog, the other side is where 2 of the slash piles are and I'm not certain I can manuver my way in to get them, or not sure I can get back out.

My newness with the tractor, and the size of my tractor payments is intimidating me.

I am considering cancelling the professional and just tackling this on my own and saving the $$$. But I am afraid of not getting it done.

I need to make some progress. I need the stump grinder to arrive so I can SEE how effective and time consuming it is.

I have a number of weeks still before I must decide.

Thanks for sharing your insights.
Be well,
David
 
   / Clearing slash & stumps from logging for Horse Pasture #23  
Hey David -

This thread is all fine, well, and interesting, but I really doubt it's validity because there are no ~p i c t u r e s ~ :laughing::laughing:


Frank
 
   / Clearing slash & stumps from logging for Horse Pasture
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Hey David -

This thread is all fine, well, and interesting, but I really doubt it's validity because there are no ~p i c t u r e s ~ :laughing::laughing:


Frank

You are KILLING me Frank! :laughing:

I was going to take some pics yesterday, but it was pouring rain. I will try to get some today (need to wait for daylight).

I'm telling you, I'd NEVER seen Hawthorne before this spring, and some of the clupms I have INTIMIDATE me. I will get some pics so I can get some GOOD advice.

:D

Be well,
David
 
   / Clearing slash & stumps from logging for Horse Pasture #25  
You are KILLING me Frank! :laughing:

I was going to take some pics yesterday, but it was pouring rain. I will try to get some today (need to wait for daylight).

I'm telling you, I'd NEVER seen Hawthorne before this spring, and some of the clupms I have INTIMIDATE me. I will get some pics so I can get some GOOD advice.

:D

Be well,
David

Hawthorne?? In Ohio, I've heard the bad thorn bushes referred to as "multiflore"? rose, and they're some bad stuff. Need a MOPP suit to get thru em!!:laughing:
On my FIL's property I actually backed up a hill with the bush hog engaged so I'd attack the thorn bushes first, worked like a champ.
Anyways, yes you owe me some pics:licking:.
I think I can personally blame you for persuading me to sell my smaller tractor and upgrade to a 50 HP with a grapple:thumbsup::mad::thumbsup:

Thanks, David.....;)


Frank
 
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#26  
I think I can personally blame you for persuading me to sell my smaller tractor and upgrade to a 50 HP with a grapple:thumbsup::mad::thumbsup:

Thanks, David.....;)


Frank

Frank,

Have you been lusting after a bigger tractor! Don't blame that on me sir! :D

But my all means, go test drive some! :thumbsup:

The grapple is pretty cool. I had 7-8 cedar trunks, some of them WELL over 20' long, all in one load and stacked them nicely on the edge of the field. I think it took me 15 or 20 minutes to pluck them all out, make a temporary pile, then move them al to their new "safe" spot. Impressed my neighbor it did!

Here are the pics you begged for...
1-6' Hawthorne example,
2-this is the fire/perimeter rd going south from my gate, also the southern end of the "pasture" also the heaviest overgrown (I'm not even sure how to start here).
3-This is the old garden area that had 6'weeds before I bush-hogged it.
4,5,6 - These are zoomed in shots of some of the debris piles I need to clear.
7-This is standing in my gate looking at what someday WILL BE pasture.
8,9,10-these are shots of the heaviest slash "roads" the skidder made. I'm not sure how deep it goes yet. I can't get out there yet.
11-This is a shot from the driveway looking into the northern end of the pastrue area, looking SW.

THERE! ARE YOU HAPPY NOW FRANK!:D

Actually these make some good "before" shots for my "Building a Pasture" thread...;)

When are you and your big shiny new tractor coming to help me?

Be well sir!
David
 

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   / Clearing slash & stumps from logging for Horse Pasture #27  
David,
any chance Lot Scapes is doing the chipping work for you?
 
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David,
any chance Lot Scapes is doing the chipping work for you?

97hokie,

You must be local to me. Howdy neighbor!

At the moment I am planning to work with LotScapes for the "professional" mulching work.

I did just learn of another firm starting up in VA doing this work, but to my knowledge LotScapes is the first, biggest, and until very recently only.

David
 
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Hey David -

This thread is all fine, well, and interesting, but I really doubt it's validity because there are no ~p i c t u r e s ~ :laughing::laughing:


Frank

Frank I posted pictures more than 12 hours ago!

You owe me C O M M E N T S! :laughing::laughing:

You also need to recant your doubts about the validity of this thread! :thumbsup:

:D:DDavid:D:D
 
   / Clearing slash & stumps from logging for Horse Pasture #30  
David,
yes, I am sort of local, just Northwest of you near Front Royal. You will find Lot scapes does great work. I have been working on a project similar to yours for the last 7 years. We had Candi do some work on the steepers areas of the farm where I was not able to use a loader to clear and then burn. I think you will find 'Frankie' does a great job on the green vegitation producing a nice mulch with some longer strips. After they roll over everything you may want to take out some of the larger pieces of wood, but the stumps should rot away slowly. For the more brittle slash you seem to have it may not produce such a good chip if the wood is more brittle. On our property the most important thing was that I could simply run over it with a bush hog after they left. So I did not have them worry about a small log here and there. They will work with you to make sure you like the final product is as fine as you want. If you want/need any additional info on this just let me know, I would be happy to let you know my expierences(They chipped for me last May).
 

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