OK to max out loader? (ie use it to its MAX capability)

[Furu]

No Im not kidding and I'll tell you why. Last summer I was knocking over some dead trees and I did the "nudging it slow" with my bucket. This only caused the tree to sway. Which made it snap off halfway up. Fortunatly it few away from me and my tractor. Ive found that one good ram usually forces the tree right over or at least leans it. Which if it breaks after that, who cares because it leaning or falling away from me. Momentum is key. Just like pulling with chains. I slack the chain as much as I can, I put her in 3 high and let her fly. If I just tugged slowly at it, thats wear on my drivetrain and clutch. With speed, I let the momentum of my heavy tractor do the work, not the tractor. Simple physics.

You obviously don't understand basic physics let alone Newtonian physics.

 

[CompactTractorFan]

When the BX was delivered I asked about overloading the loader, and they said that you can't hurt it since it has a relief valve. You can lift as much as you can...:thumbsup:

 

[beppington]

OK, good info everybody :thumbsup: I'm gonna lift whatever heavy stuff I need to & not worry about it.

 

[teg]

No Im not kidding and I'll tell you why...

Wow, speechless... Make sure your next-of-kin knows how to post in the Safety forum. Since you've gotten away with this for awhile, you should quit while you still can. :2cents:

 

[Deere Dude]

No Im not kidding and I'll tell you why. Last summer I was knocking over some dead trees and I did the "nudging it slow" with my bucket. This only caused the tree to sway. Which made it snap off halfway up. Fortunatly it few away from me and my tractor. Ive found that one good ram usually forces the tree right over or at least leans it. Which if it breaks after that, who cares because it leaning or falling away from me. Momentum is key. Just like pulling with chains. I slack the chain as much as I can, I put her in 3 high and let her fly. If I just tugged slowly at it, thats wear on my drivetrain and clutch. With speed, I let the momentum of my heavy tractor do the work, not the tractor. Simple physics.

I was a boy of about 11 or 12 and I was driving an Allis Chalmer tractor in the 1950s and the wheels for the tractors were taller than me. So it was a good sized tractor. We used the jerk method to rip cars apart. Put the car on the side and chain it to some trees and hook a chain or cable to the frame, don't remember which, and back up to the car and take a good run at it. It would jerk the frames off quite nicely after a few momentum jerks. One time the chain broke and come whistling past my head a hundred miles an hour about foot away from it. We simply rehooked it up and pulled some more. Now I'm old enough to know better. The clean and jerk method is an accident waiting to happen in my opinion.
I would not ram a tree because if it would break off it would end up in my lap. I could visualize a tractor flipping over if not perfectly straight on. I could see a ton of jarring force on the FEL arms and cylinders.
The only tree I would use the ram method would be a 2" sapling about 10 feet high. To much stuff can go wrong with a tractor running wide open in situations like that.

 

[Ford tractor]

I think I'd want something with a good roll cage, not a ROPS.
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Actually you don't want a roll cage anymore than you want a ROPS. You want to have a FOPS. Falling Object Protective Structure. It's a real thing and is used in the logging and construction industry. The lack of them on utility tractors with FEL's is one reason farming is so dangerous.

 

[knightrider955]

:shocked::thumbdown:


agreed!



I have seen firsthand what a chain can do when it breaks when jerked on! it is not a pretty sight!

Ive know first hand what a chain can do when it breaks. Ive had one snap and come through the back window of my truck, It cracked the dashboard. If someone would have been in the passenger seat, they would have been killed. After that I switched to a jerk strap. I use a 1/2 inch log chain on my tractor. Havent broke it yet.:thumbsup:

 

[knightrider955]

You obviously don't understand basic physics let alone Newtonian physics.

Hey man I dont have a dog in this fight, Im just a telling things based on my experiances. Whether they be right or wrong thats a matter of opinion. I take good care of my equipment.

 

[GolfAddict]

Um, I think he was kidding.

Based off discussion on another topic in a different thread, I assumed he wasn't.

And since newbies come browse these threads, I wouldn't want anybody to think that was ok.

Oh my goodness, you were right!!

 

[rd_macgregor]

It seems to me that there are at least two slightly different types of widowmaker scenarios in play here. A sudden lateral acceleration of the lower trunk of a tree can cause the upper part to snap off at some weak point, and fall (pivoting back on the pushee). Even live trees may have hidden flaws that will weaken the trunk. Pushing slowly is a lot less likely to cause the top to snap off and fall in your lap.
Another case, though, is where the tree to be felled has to fall through the branches of adjacent trees. In this case, the top can snap off and fall back on top of you even if you are pushing very slowly. Of course, if the top is that fragile, ramming it would certainly have snapped it off.
BOB