Global Warming?

[Egon]

Yep, them scientist's surely don't know everything. But then again, I, like most folks don't even know what they know! It' kinda like you don't know what you don't know.:thumbsup:

Sure do know the sceintist's have developed a whole pile of new instruments and such like that may allow better interpretation of what might be going on.

Why heck, when I was in High School the jukebox still had them vinyl records in them. Can't say that I've seen one in operation lately. Think folks use those memory sticks now. Don't know how they work either!

 

[houstonscott]

There is a reason that some of us don't buy everything that the scientist tell us. They don't know everything especially in new disciplines. They can make mistakes as well, such as when I was in high school I was told that it took 53 million years to form the petrified forest in Yellowstone Park. Now there is strong evidence that it is closer to hundreds of years not millions of years to form. And then the ignoring of the alarmist such as Prof. Mann. Sort of like Author Anderson as an accountant

Lotts of things that were thought to be true years ago have been shown to be wrong. What is funny is the PHd Scientist today that is telling everyone how correct they are about global warming got that PHd with all the wrong answers years ago when they earned their degree. Anyone who got a degree in the 50's or 60's would flunk out if their answers to questions of those days were applied to the questions of to day. Doesn't say much for a PHd in science. The earned their degrees with all the wrong answers.

HS

 

[EddieWalker]

Yep, them scientist's surely don't know everything. But then again, I, like most folks don't even know what they know! It' kinda like you don't know what you don't know.:thumbsup:

Sure do know the sceintist's have developed a whole pile of new instruments and such like that may allow better interpretation of what might be going on.

Why heck, when I was in High School the jukebox still had them vinyl records in them. Can't say that I've seen one in operation lately. Think folks use those memory sticks now. Don't know how they work either!

I don't think anybody is knocking science or Scientist. In fact, for a period of time, Man Made Global Warming was a big concern. They just pushed it too fast, too far and exposed themselves for pushing an agenda without anything to support it. Once it was exposed what was fabricated, what was destroyed and that they went into it trying to prove a position that they already have, and not let the science decide the facts, they lost all credibility.

When they had support by the public, that was used to push it, now that they don't, they insult the public, call us names and try to make up worse case scenerios of what is going to happen. When none of those things happen, they change to something else, or try to blame somebody else.

What is really sad is that those who have a personal agenda, or belief, have joined in to to try and get what they want to happen, less polition, more solar or wind, electric cars, or just end of the world dooms day beliefs to Man Made Global Warming. Like the so called global warming scientist who want grant money, fame and power, the supporters want something out of it too.

If it is real, then real scientist will join in and support it. Real scientist wont be doubting what the leaders of this hoax are pushing. The fake scientist will release all their data and make it open for inspection. When you have to hide your science, then it's not real science.

Eddie

 

[Tollster]

What is really sad is that those who have a personal agenda, or belief, have joined in to to try and get what they want to happen, less polition, more solar or wind, electric cars, or just end of the world dooms day beliefs to Man Made Global Warming. Like the so called global warming scientist who want grant money, fame and power, the supporters want something out of it too.

Eddie

Whats sad is paying 4.20 a gallon for non renewable fuel, and being held hostage by large gas companies. Without those so called "Hidden agendas" we will always be held hostage, as no alternative will ever be developed.
If they need to secure funding under the presumption of global warming, I am all for it!

 

[EddieWalker]

Who has the hidden agenda? The oil company that is selling you fuel for a profit and having to get it half way across the planet in locations that hate the US?

Or a government that relies on tax money raised from selling that fuel, but even more from voters who donate to them so they will fight the oil company with an empty promise to force somebody to invent something better. In the mean time, to keep their supporters happy and giving them more money, they use tax dollars to promote industy that doesn't work and requires more energy to operate then it produces. Have you heard of ethynol? What about solar companies like Sylendra? Or the Chevy Volt?

If you want to find a hidden agenda, look at goverment policy on energy and explain why the pipeline was canceled, why the Gulf was closed down, why ANWR was cancelled, why no more refineries are being built, why no more Nuclear power plants have been built, why Obama threatened to shut down coal and why we are spending billions of tax payer dollars to develop other countries oil industry like Brazil.

Eddie

 

[houstonscott]

Whats sad is paying 4.20 a gallon for non renewable fuel, and being held hostage by large gas companies. Without those so called "Hidden agendas" we will always be held hostage, as no alternative will ever be developed.
If they need to secure funding under the presumption of global warming, I am all for it!

I think you will find oil is a renewable fuel. Not ever going to run out. It's wind and solar that have to be renewed, to the tune every 12hrs or more, and wind is even more unpredictable.

HS

 

[mostly_gas]

Thanks Eddie, you said it very well. I would add the the Dept of Energy was founded to get us (the US) off of foreign oil. Why would anyone want the government to fund research when they have such a dismal record of achievement.

 

[Tollster]

Eddie, youhave all the answers,very broad, half truths added in for extra measure. I won't hold it against ya as we always have good debates,and I can see things form your point as well because you have such a way to express yourself.
You got quite abit outa that sentence, sit back and have a cup of joe, and catch up on current energy construction in the Nuclear construction field.
https://www.google.com/search?q=vog...nIuHr0gGDoqTvDQ&ved=0CGAQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=591

Sorry I am not pro oil such as yourself, yes I need it now,but believe there has to be something better, and I like the idea of research to find an answer to an alternative

 

[patrick_g]

Climate change, increasing temperatures alter bird migration patterns

The scientific method lives on in the face of change. There is still a best process for discovering truth and training in the application of that process is important. To discount all science because over time it learns more and more is not rational.

On balance we as a species have advanced much faster and more appropriately due to the application of the scientific method than any group ever has through superstition, ignorance, and naysaying.

There was a time when the "state of the art" regarding understanding what the world and universe was made of gave rise to a conviction that there were 4 elements; earth, air, fire, water, and a possible candidate 5th, phlogiston. Science advanced beyond that and folks had to modify their thinking in light of "better science." Should we not strive to advance for fear of being ridiculed for not having got it perfect and complete in the beginning?

It hasn't been all that long since light, radio waves, and other electromagnetic wave energy was thought to require a medium through which to propagate as with waves in water or sound waves through air. That medium was ether (yup the ether of ethernet.) Scientists (mostly Michelson and Morley) while performing experiments to learn about ether got results denying its existence. So, were they dunces for having tried to learn about something that didn't exist or heroes for finding and revealing the truth?

We are a curious lot, in the main, and strive ever for a better more complete understanding of life, the universe, and everything and won't settle for 42 as the ultimate answer. Why should the reward for learning more be to be castigated for not getting everything perfect immediately like finding a secret encyclopedia of all knowledge of infinite detail regarding everything.

(My apologies to Douglas Adams, may his soul rest in piece and his works be remembered.)

Earliest Horses Show Past Global Warming Affected Body Size of Mammals

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...ciencedaily/top_news+(ScienceDaily:+Top+News)

Mayans put out of business by modest decrease in rainfall.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...ciencedaily/top_news+(ScienceDaily:+Top+News)

Urban deforestation.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...ciencedaily/top_news+(ScienceDaily:+Top+News)

Global climate change messes with cute furry chipmunks, oh my.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...ciencedaily/top_news+(ScienceDaily:+Top+News)

Injecting Sulfate Particles Into Stratosphere Won't Fully Offset Climate Change

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...ciencedaily/top_news+(ScienceDaily:+Top+News)

Pat

 

[houstonscott]

Eddie, youhave all the answers,very broad, half truths added in for extra measure. I won't hold it against ya as we always have good debates,and I can see things form your point as well because you have such a way to express yourself.
You got quite abit outa that sentence, sit back and have a cup of joe, and catch up on current energy construction.
https://www.google.com/search?q=vog...nIuHr0gGDoqTvDQ&ved=0CGAQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=591

Sorry I am not pro oil such as yourself, yes I need it now,but believe there has to be something better, and I like the idea of research to find an answer to an alternative

You know what that's fine. I think you should pay for it though. Oil companies are in the oil business, why should they do the research? Let the people who want this stuff pay for the research. Let the New York Times develop wind and solar, or maybe ABC. We saw a bunch of I am smarter than you types from the Santa Clara Valley (silicon valley) try to develop an electric car, what a mess. If the battery is drained it destroys the battery forever, called bricking the car. Oh, it's 40K to replace. You turn it into a big brick. Not necessary or even preferable or even desirable to switch to something else, not necessary, oil is plentiful, clean, safe, and cheap.
HS