MY2012 5085M ordered today!

[pclausen]

pclausen,

I really like Gator's post and agree 100% with it.

My suggestion would be to buy the subframe for the 5m/595 and attach it to the Woods BH with a fabricated adapter that bolts to the subframe and mates with the 3ph mounts on the BH.
Then when you find a 595(or even a 49), just pretty up the Woods, sell it, get the right one and it'll bolt right on.:thumbsup:

Personally, I would never put a three point backhoe on my tractor, even if I had the OK in writing from Deere.

Regards,

Tom

Tom, I am concerned about this aspect and I plan to be careful and go easy with this 6000 lbs break out force capacity 3pt hoe on the loaner tractor. If there are any signs of stress/issues, I will most certainly think twice about putting it on my 5085M when it gets here.

I did look at a 49 at my dealers lot, and it looked like a toy compared to this Woods 1050. As far as getting a frame, the ones for the 49/595 is over $2000 new, which more than 50% of what I paid for the entire 1050.

Dealer did have an almost brand new 49 with a 54xx/50xx E frame for $4900, but alas, that would not fit an M, and it was less of a hoe than the Woods 1050. I almost went with a 5083E Limited because of this, but in the end decided that I really wanted the M for the "long haul".

I'll look into the 595 subframe and see if I can make some brackets to bolt the 1050 up to it, that might not be a bad interim solution if I can get a reasonable deal on the subframe, and find a 595 with no subframe.

I will be sure to post my pluses and minuses when I start digging up stumps this weekend. I still like to think that the horror storied about 3pt hoes are mostly from cat1 users, but I suppose that might be wishful thinking.

 

[Caledon Hills]

Tom, I am concerned about this aspect and I plan to be careful and go easy with this 6000 lbs break out force capacity 3pt hoe on the loaner tractor. If there are any signs of stress/issues, I will most certainly think twice about putting it on my 5085M when it gets here.

Good to know. I'd just hate to see anything bad happen to that beautiful new machine.(or you and the 6405 for that matter)

Hope I wasn't too "in your face" with that last post BTW.

Regards,

Tom

 

[Martian]

Actually, the MSL has more capacity, in some cases (lift capacity at full height), by a large margin:

Hmm... Looks like they've done good with the new MSL. When I got my 5410 you lost a lot of capacity with the MSL. I'd really go with the MSL then. You won't regret it:thumbsup:

 

[AKfish]

Good to know. I'd just hate to see anything bad happen to that beautiful new machine.(or you and the 6405 for that matter)

Hope I wasn't too "in your face" with that last post BTW.

Regards,

Tom

My thoughts exactly...

I believe that most of us on TBN can fully appreciate the desire (and need) to save money on the less important equipment options and when possible DIY modifications that can make it reasonable to accomplish the work we've planned.

However, - IMHO - the 3pt mounting configuration for a tractor mount backhoe is inherently weak. Cat I or Cat II.

The 4pt. backhoe mount on the JD110 is very stout. And the system is designed to utilize the entire frame and the integrated loader frame.

And I have twisted and popped and dropped the entire tractor using the backhoe! At times, the tractor has moved enough that the lower pins will click against the hoe mount. Thankfully, the forces are transferred through the whole of the tractor and not just at the the top link or one of the lower 3pt mounts.

Now, it is possible that you won't need or have to use the backhoe in situations or places that I've used the 110. Maybe everything will be just fine... Small trees, small stumps, flat ground, no rocks, etc. etc.

But... if you're using a backhoe that generates the kinds of forces on a par or greater than the 595 - you could have a real problem. Not the 1st time or maybe not the 20th time working the hoe.. but one day!

I think it cost $1,300 for a week to rent a Komatsu 138U trackhoe - 34,000lbs. A JD 50D costs $950 a week up here.

You can clear acres and acres of stumps for the $4K you've got in that 1050!

Just sayin..

AKfish

 

[pclausen]

I do tend to push my equipment to the edge, but not over it. Sometimes it can be tricky to know when you're there, but so far I have been able to make the right call.

I am looking into a subframe of some sort. In fact, I came across a member here that made a subframe for a 1050 for his Kubota L48. Seems to be working out well for him.

I got my bucket back today. They went ahead and cut off all 4 original shanks and welded on new heavy duty ones with HD matching teeth with pins. I think it turned out nice.

Also picked up a new stabilizer bar end link and lift arm pins, all at no charge since this is not my tractor. The end link alone was like $130, pretty insane although it looks very stout!

So I'm ready to do some (cautious) work this weekend to get a feel for how solid everything feels.

 

[Martian]

Bucket looks real good! I like them teeth.

I would be cautious working with it, but now is the best time ever to put it to its limits. Don't do something stupid, but it's better to find out now then when its on your nice, new, shiny 5085M:thumbsup:

 

[AKfish]

I do tend to push my equipment to the edge, but not over it. Sometimes it can be tricky to know when you're there, but so far I have been able to make the right call.

I am looking into a subframe of some sort. In fact, I came across a member here that made a subframe for a 1050 for his Kubota L48. Seems to be working out well for him.

I got my bucket back today. They went ahead and cut off all 4 original shanks and welded on new heavy duty ones with HD matching teeth with pins. I think it turned out nice.

Also picked up a new stabilizer bar end link and lift arm pins, all at no charge since this is not my tractor. The end link alone was like $130, pretty insane although it looks very stout!

So I'm ready to do some (cautious) work this weekend to get a feel for how solid everything feels.

Good work on the bucket! Glad to hear that you're on track to make the backhoe mount as structurally strong as possible.

Looking forward to your report with the 6405, too! :thumbsup:

AKfish

 

[pclausen]

I got in about 3 hours of seat time on the 6405 today. Started out with the chain saw cutting down saplings where the extension to my shop is going. I cut down everything you see within the red stick frame in this shot from a few weeks ago and then some (to make room for positioning the 6405 from above).

I then pulled the 6405 around and positioned myself to begin digging out what I estimate to be 30 cu yd of dirt for two additional 16x36 bays.

The Woods backhoe with the 18" bucket w/ new teeth is cutting through the dirt like butter with the tractor running at about 1200 rpm (can't tell for sure since the tach is dead). Everything felt very solid and the hoe was not able to even think about moving the 6405 around.

It was very cold and windy, so after digging up a few cu yd, I decided to call it a day, but before quitting, I figured I'd go ahead and use the 640 MSL loader (from the comfort of the cab!) to cut into the bank from below just for grins. Wow, was I impressed! With the backhoe on the back, and being in low gear with 4x4 engaged along with diff lock, I was able to just cut into the hill side/dirt like I could have only dreamed off with my 4700 w/ 460 loader! At least it seemed like that at first. After about 10 minutes, I had reached the limit of a 6405 with a 640 loader. Impressive to say the least, but not quite 50 ton track loader territory.

Assuming the weather is better tomorrow, I'm going to pull out the trailer and have at it from below with the loader and above with the hoe. Hopefully I'll have the 32x36 area for the shop extension completed.

More than anything, I really learned to appreciate how comfortable a heated cab is on a cold, windy winter day! I'll never go back to an open station, except maybe as a "summer" tractor.

 

[AKfish]

Glad to hear that the tractor is doing really well! It's a great feeling when your plans start coming together.

Nice picture, too. Beautiful country. Especially like the green grass and NO SNOW!!

AKfish

 

[pclausen]

Thanks AK. Yes, we love it here in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains! We actually had a few inches of snow earlier in the week, but then we got a couple of days with temps in the 60s and it was gone in no time.

I got in about 7 hours of seat time on the 6405 loaner today. It's funny how quickly one adjust to the extra power and size. I'm now exploring the limits of this machine just as I did the 4700. I actually got the rear wheels off the ground once as I was dumping a extra large bucket of dirt facing downhill. That 96" bucket sure will hold some dirt!

Here are some pics from today. This first one is after I cut in the back side of where the shop wall is going. Look at all those stumps!

Different angle:

Working on getting the stumps out:

Here's a pretty big one. I miss my grapple although I'm not sure my 4700 could have lifted this one.

And so the shadows are getting long as another day comes to an end. Here's where I put all the dirt I dug up so far:

And the end result. I still got to cut a little more of the dirt wall and level the ground, but I'd say I got 90% of dirt I needed out of there. You can just make out the 6405 resting in the shop after a good day's workout.

Another angle:

I'm basically adding a pole barn extension. I'm not sure if I should build it right up against the dirt wall and use cinder blocks where there is direct contact?

The 3pt mounted Woods did very well. At no time did it feel anything but solidly coupled to the 6405. I went through 1/4 tank. I hope the fuel tank on this thing isn't huge, or its a guzzler!