crash325
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You have Selective Ignorance, If it is not your views it is wrong and has to be ignored.
Global Warming?
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You have Selective Ignorance, If it is not your views it is wrong and has to be ignored.
This is an opinion. To have credibility you must support your opinions with facts.
Rob
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Too bad alternative energy technology keeps passing us by.
I've read articles over the years that make it clear that oil companies do not want alternative fuel cars on the road. With their money they usually buy/invest in new green technology, get their pr wonks out to hype their love for "green" technology and then sack the research and development staff. At the end of the day the company languishes, closes its manufacturing facility and becomes a post office mail box. It's a strategy that's been employed over and over again.
Exxon/Mobile, Chevron and other fossil fuel producers as well as automobile companies (example: GM) are all engaged in keeping their competition dead in the water. It makes perfectly good sense in an intractable capitalist economic environment.
Developed countries are under siege by the US government to refrain from alternative fuel vehicles, although, Brazil has gone a remarkable long way in going green.
Anyway, "special interests" (oil) will go to extraordinary lengths to prevent competition including assassination (Diesel - http://www.nndb.com/people/906/000082660/ and Omar Torijos - http://www.economichitman.com/) buying up green energy firms and putting them out of business and then flood the propaganda mill with naysayers about alternative fuels. Heck, the only reason Hugo Chavez (Venezuela) is the enemy of the US is because he fully nationalized his country's oil. The Shah of Iran was the CIA/MI5 guy after affecting a coup d'etat of Iran's democratically elected Mossadegh - http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/ can you say BP ****** Hussain was another CIA installed dictator. It's history. Does anybody even think it has stopped?
Too bad alternative energy technology keeps passing us by.
I've read articles over the years that make it clear that oil companies do not want alternative fuel cars on the road. With their money they usually buy/invest in new green technology, get their pr wonks out to hype their love for "green" technology and then sack the research and development staff. At the end of the day the company languishes, closes its manufacturing facility and becomes a post office mail box. It's a strategy that's been employed over and over again.
Exxon/Mobile, Chevron and other fossil fuel producers as well as automobile companies (example: GM) are all engaged in keeping their competition dead in the water. It makes perfectly good sense in an intractable capitalist economic environment.
Developed countries are under siege by the US government to refrain from alternative fuel vehicles, although, Brazil has gone a remarkable long way in going green.
Anyway, "special interests" (oil) will go to extraordinary lengths to prevent competition including assassination (Diesel - http://www.nndb.com/people/906/000082660/ and Omar Torijos - http://www.economichitman.com/) buying up green energy firms and putting them out of business and then flood the propaganda mill with naysayers about alternative fuels. Heck, the only reason Hugo Chavez (Venezuela) is the enemy of the US is because he fully nationalized his country's oil. The Shah of Iran was the CIA/MI5 guy after affecting a coup d'etat of Iran's democratically elected Mossadegh - http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/ can you say BP ****** Hussain was another CIA installed dictator. It's history. Does anybody even think it has stopped?
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crash325
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You refuse to look at, address or believe in facts that do not agree with your point of view. Or you go off in a whole different direction.
I'll start over and give you another chance.
Facts
Coal fired plants can be clean.
There are more ways to save energy than solar and wind or water.
Steel, copper, aluminum & plastic all cost more than 10 years ago.
You can not produce copper or steel without fossil fuel.
Aluminum requires so much energy to produce it's doubt full that wind or solar could ever do the job.
You brag about you fine big house that you built. Out of New Lumber?? Why not use reclaimed lumber??? It could have been built out of adobe or rammed earth, very little heating or cooling.
Explain why other people should be helping to pay for your energy. You claim to be some big deal inventor, why aren't those inventions paying for your energy???
That is probably more than you can take in 1 post, so I will quit for now.
Coal fired plants can be clean.
They are not. I showed reams of evidence on this. Coal is the biggest polluter in the US.
There are more ways to save energy than solar and wind or water.
I never said there weren't BUT PV, wind and hydro are our best alternatives at this point.
Steel, copper, aluminum & plastic all cost more than 10 years ago.
PV prices have dropped dramatically in the past ten years. Go check today prices.
You can not produce copper or steel without fossil fuel.
Not true, you can use electricity. The metal doesn't care what produces that electricity.
Aluminum requires so much energy to produce it's doubt full that wind or solar could ever do the job.
Not true, see above answer.
You brag about you fine big house that you built. Out of New Lumber?? Why not use reclaimed lumber??? It could have been built out of adobe or rammed earth, very little heating or cooling.
It's not big BUT it was built to maximize wind and sun. It's efficient, not big. It is as easy to cool and heat as adobe (not viable here or rammed earth) I felt insulation and building wise it is best suited to this area to build out of wood. I planted trees to more than replace the lumber I used in its construction.
Explain why other people should be helping to pay for your energy. You claim to be some big deal inventor, why aren't those inventions paying for your energy???
I did pay two thirds, the government only gives me back 30%, I put in the rest. Also new technology benefits us all, just as the technology we paid for from the space program benefited everyone. We all paid for it and we all benefited from it. Did you object to subsidization of other technologies that you benefited from? Food, nuclear, fossil fuel, etc. Alternate grants and subsidies are available to everyone including you.
Rob
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This I have to SEE. Prove what you just said is true.
Primary or secondary Aluminum?
OK exactly which which subsidies are available to me. Exactly which subsidies are given to nuclear, oil coal etc.?
Why do you run your mouth when you have NO clue?
First off -- I do NOT want dirty air or water. But I also don't want my children and grandchildren to be saddled with enormous USA government debts from the guvment wasting money on ill-advised alternative energy schemes.
I really think all one has to do is follow the money trail in the so-called alternative energy businesses to see what is really going on (Al Gore and the carbon credit bu$ine$$).
Now with that said, my next home when I retire in a couple years will probably be connected to the grid, BUT it will have solar water heating, solar electrical production and probably some wind energy production. Why??? Not because I think they are the wave of the future, but basically because even though I will be moving/building in an area of low electric rates, I want to be energy independent when storms hit or if TSHTF. It will cost me $$$$, but i will feel better.
Here in the central coast area of California we recently received the so-called "smart" meters. We have had more power outages since they were installed a few months ago than the previous 7 years combined. It is now too easy for PG&E to cut off our power. And the response times with their customer service and field service have gotten 10x worse! :confused2:
I really think all one has to do is follow the money trail in the so-called alternative energy businesses to see what is really going on (Al Gore and the carbon credit bu$ine$$).
Now with that said, my next home when I retire in a couple years will probably be connected to the grid, BUT it will have solar water heating, solar electrical production and probably some wind energy production. Why??? Not because I think they are the wave of the future, but basically because even though I will be moving/building in an area of low electric rates, I want to be energy independent when storms hit or if TSHTF. It will cost me $$$$, but i will feel better.
Here in the central coast area of California we recently received the so-called "smart" meters. We have had more power outages since they were installed a few months ago than the previous 7 years combined. It is now too easy for PG&E to cut off our power. And the response times with their customer service and field service have gotten 10x worse! :confused2:
...And another thing about the (non) global warming fiasco. Hot off the newswire:
1930s photos show Greenland glaciers retreating faster than today: But nobody thought it was a big deal!
(By Lewis Page, Posted in Science, 2nd June 2012)
"Recently unearthed photographs taken by Danish explorers in the 1930s show glaciers in Greenland retreating faster than they are today, according to researchers...
The photos in question were taken by the seventh Thule Expedition to Greenland led by Dr Knud Rasmussen in 1932. The explorers were equipped with a seaplane, which they used to take aerial snaps of glaciers along the Arctic island's coasts...
After the expedition returned the photographs were used to make maps and charts of the area, then placed in archives in Denmark where they lay forgotten for decades. Then, in recent years, international researchers trying to find information on the history of the Greenland glaciers stumbled across them...
Taken together the pictures show clearly that glaciers in the region were melting even faster in the 1930s than they are today, according to Professor Jason Box, who works at the Byrd Polar Research Center at Ohio State University..."
So there!!
1930s photos show Greenland glaciers retreating faster than today: But nobody thought it was a big deal!
(By Lewis Page, Posted in Science, 2nd June 2012)
"Recently unearthed photographs taken by Danish explorers in the 1930s show glaciers in Greenland retreating faster than they are today, according to researchers...
The photos in question were taken by the seventh Thule Expedition to Greenland led by Dr Knud Rasmussen in 1932. The explorers were equipped with a seaplane, which they used to take aerial snaps of glaciers along the Arctic island's coasts...
After the expedition returned the photographs were used to make maps and charts of the area, then placed in archives in Denmark where they lay forgotten for decades. Then, in recent years, international researchers trying to find information on the history of the Greenland glaciers stumbled across them...
Taken together the pictures show clearly that glaciers in the region were melting even faster in the 1930s than they are today, according to Professor Jason Box, who works at the Byrd Polar Research Center at Ohio State University..."
So there!!
EE_Bota
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The bold part seems odd to me. Why would President Obama allow that?
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I'm in Melbourne outer eastern metropolitan area in Australia now and its rather cold and wet, so if the planet is warming can you please send some of it to us so we can reduce using gas and electricity to keep us citizens in reasonable comfort.
Our Australian Labor Party in coalition with the minority Greens Party have in their infinite wisdom introduced a CARBON TAX in their belief that we will change our behaviour and use less fossil fuels by increasing the prices.
Dirty industries such as electricity generated with coal fired power stations are going to have to increase their prices of electricity to cover the extra $23 per tonne of carbon tax.... so i guess some of the poorer people will switch to using wood fired heating systems which tend to generate extra smoke, but the weathy will continue to use as before and the middle classes will try and reduce heating their larger homes by closing off some rooms but then decide that they can cut out other expenditure to cover their basic primary need for warmth and food. Prices will go up and consumers might vote the current political members out of office at the next elections.
I'm thinking the best way to try keep Australia in a pristine carbon free zone is to export all our 24 Million people including natives to China or the USA if you'll have us. We will need an income to pay our way and we would want to keep exporting the minerals like iron ore & coal to china where they can continue to burn fuels to make the things we need like cars and computers, Unfortunately we wont be able to control bush fires which creates carbon dioxide during bushfires, but thats ok according to the Greenies. And then we will still need to keep our little army on site to protect our minerals from being stolen by other nearby nations, but wait why would they not just move 150 Million people in anyway as we have lots of dams and other infrustructure and our houses are more than big enough to house 6 times more people. Back to square one, except the Greens wont have any power to stop 150 million new invaders and the cycle starts all over again.
My view is ...instead of introducing all these new taxes and punishing its citizens for daring to live a reasonable lifestyle and to subsidise uneconomic renewable products made from fossel fuels, why dont the many government funded R & D departments use their skills and those of the many University professors throughout the world to continue the research begun by Nicola Tesla and or also to offer TAX FREE status rewards for inventions to both individuals as well as to corporations who can develope low input high output energy systems, on their own and without government assistance or subsidies. ie Tax benefits after they are proven to work in a free market financial environment, but certainly no reward until it works.
The current methods used by various governments throughout the western communities seem designed to benefit our trading competitors and punishing all our western citizens except those companies who are peddling unproven and uneconomic renewable energies for inexperienced gullible politicians who are trying to second guess and pick winners. The reality is when governments have tried to create wealth they usually destroy it instead, especially when our manufacturing jobs are dissapearing in Australia and the USA due to excessive increases in energy and labour cost for the direct benefit of the cheaper asian situated workforces where there are no punishing taxes for CO2 emissions which incidently plants use to convert to OXYGEN.
Why dont farmers and forestry owners earn cash for oxygen they create on there farms?..
Now can I take this opportunity to suggest a total re-definition of the meaning of true work......a farmer or a factory worker is a real worker, but a government "worker" sitting in an office writing up reports and collecting taxes is hardly a worker IMHO. Anyone have any opinions on this topic and my other comments above?
Our Australian Labor Party in coalition with the minority Greens Party have in their infinite wisdom introduced a CARBON TAX in their belief that we will change our behaviour and use less fossil fuels by increasing the prices.
Dirty industries such as electricity generated with coal fired power stations are going to have to increase their prices of electricity to cover the extra $23 per tonne of carbon tax.... so i guess some of the poorer people will switch to using wood fired heating systems which tend to generate extra smoke, but the weathy will continue to use as before and the middle classes will try and reduce heating their larger homes by closing off some rooms but then decide that they can cut out other expenditure to cover their basic primary need for warmth and food. Prices will go up and consumers might vote the current political members out of office at the next elections.
I'm thinking the best way to try keep Australia in a pristine carbon free zone is to export all our 24 Million people including natives to China or the USA if you'll have us. We will need an income to pay our way and we would want to keep exporting the minerals like iron ore & coal to china where they can continue to burn fuels to make the things we need like cars and computers, Unfortunately we wont be able to control bush fires which creates carbon dioxide during bushfires, but thats ok according to the Greenies. And then we will still need to keep our little army on site to protect our minerals from being stolen by other nearby nations, but wait why would they not just move 150 Million people in anyway as we have lots of dams and other infrustructure and our houses are more than big enough to house 6 times more people. Back to square one, except the Greens wont have any power to stop 150 million new invaders and the cycle starts all over again.
My view is ...instead of introducing all these new taxes and punishing its citizens for daring to live a reasonable lifestyle and to subsidise uneconomic renewable products made from fossel fuels, why dont the many government funded R & D departments use their skills and those of the many University professors throughout the world to continue the research begun by Nicola Tesla and or also to offer TAX FREE status rewards for inventions to both individuals as well as to corporations who can develope low input high output energy systems, on their own and without government assistance or subsidies. ie Tax benefits after they are proven to work in a free market financial environment, but certainly no reward until it works.
The current methods used by various governments throughout the western communities seem designed to benefit our trading competitors and punishing all our western citizens except those companies who are peddling unproven and uneconomic renewable energies for inexperienced gullible politicians who are trying to second guess and pick winners. The reality is when governments have tried to create wealth they usually destroy it instead, especially when our manufacturing jobs are dissapearing in Australia and the USA due to excessive increases in energy and labour cost for the direct benefit of the cheaper asian situated workforces where there are no punishing taxes for CO2 emissions which incidently plants use to convert to OXYGEN.
Why dont farmers and forestry owners earn cash for oxygen they create on there farms?..
Now can I take this opportunity to suggest a total re-definition of the meaning of true work......a farmer or a factory worker is a real worker, but a government "worker" sitting in an office writing up reports and collecting taxes is hardly a worker IMHO. Anyone have any opinions on this topic and my other comments above?
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