Global Warming?

[Dustier]

The fossil fuel industry employs people to throw crap at the science. The last time I looked a scientist could make a cool $10K for writing something against the science. Anyway, it wouldn't make a tinker's dam how many people believe in global warming or not. It doesn't matter a whit how much confusion there is between weather and climate change. This is not an issue without a truth - The Earth is warming at an alarming rate.

Colorado isn't a freak event neither is that

. In fact, California is preparing for what is shaping up to be a very bad year for fire. The Eastern seaboard ocean level rose 4" and the carbon level in the atmosphere is about to breach 400 - something most scientists believe is the tipping point (last chance) before nature kicks into fighting back - for a very long time.

Sea level rise is accelerating three to four times faster along the densely populated east coast of the US than other US coasts,
scientists have discovered. The zone, dubbed a "hotspot" by the researchers, means the ocean from Boston to New York to North Carolina
is set to experience a rise up a third greater than that seen globally.

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So, geologists, paleontologist, meteorologists, and well, just about all scientists engaged in studying this here Earth just don't know what the heck they're talking about. Fine. We'd all be happier had they never said anything. We could all just go about our business fat, dumb and happy. Dang scientists. :dance1:

 

[Rob-D]

Put a bunch of $$$ in my account and I will support climate change with all the data you need. My favorite color is plaid too!

mark

Put a bunch of money in my account and I'll debunk Climate Change.

 

[Rob-D]

You gotta stick your nose little bit further from your outhouse. Last winter in Europe was deadly cold, does it mean anything? Not at all, same as the current heat wave in North America. Only idjits like gore followers take anything what happens as a prove of global warming.

They are quite comical in their effort too, something like playing a roulette where red wins the same time the black wins:

Too hot = global warming
Too cold = global warming

GW is a misnomer, the correct term is Climate Change because both extremes are observed.

Rob

 

[Rob-D]

The fossil fuel industry employs people to throw crap at the science. The last time I looked a scientist could make a cool $10K for writing something against the science.

This is exactly true, earlier here I cited links showing where the API (American Petroleum Industry) spends appreciable amounts of money with respect to this.
The question we have to ask is who is stands to make the most and who is affected the most if CC is a fact? That's metaphorical!

Rob

 

[houstonscott]

This big issue is not global warming or climate change. The climate is never static it is always changing. The main issue is "man" effecting the climate? The definitive answer to that no matter how you feel about change is "there is no evidence" to prove man is effecting climate change or even could. That issue is settled science. Now the argument is "is it cooling or warming" no one really knows yet.

HS

 

[patrick_g]

I am not sure what an evolutionist is, but I understand evolution reasonably well. Your question is like the chicken and egg question, and the answer to that one is "egg."

I am not sure what period you are referencing, but there was a period where spiders were very large and energetic..capable of chasing down and directly attacking an animal such as a possum, or a gopher.

A spider's breathing gear is not that efficient, and high O2 concentrations in the atmosphere will effect the ultimate size of spiders. At the time in question, forests almost exploded when struck by lighting.

If an evolutionist is a person in opposition to a "creationist" then I am not one. I am not in opposition to anyone. I study the bible and science, and I am pleased to do so, regardless of anyone's opinion of religion or science.

There should be no science vs religion issue. Scientists are studying God's creation, many devoting their lives to gaining knowledge of God's creation (our uni(multi?)verse) Whether or not it is popularly acknowledged, studying science is studying God's work and surely is as holy as studying scripture. My personal take is that Creation science is a misguided effort on the part of the ignorant who don't understand that evolution IS intelligent design.

I do however claim the chicken came first. Chickens were not required to be oviparous but could evolve to be so. It is hard to construct a method whereby an egg could evolve to wrap itself with a chicken and get laid.

Pat

 

[tallyho8]

If the question was "What came first the animal or the egg?" then I would answer "the animal". But the question is "what came first, the chicken or the egg" and my answer is the egg. Reason being that I believe the first chicken hatched from an egg that came from two different species. IMO!

I do however claim the chicken came first. Chickens were not required to be oviparous but could evolve to be so. It is hard to construct a method whereby an egg could evolve to wrap itself with a chicken and get laid.

Pat

 

[Rob-D]

This big issue is not global warming or climate change. The climate is never static it is always changing. The main issue is "man" effecting the climate? The definitive answer to that no matter how you feel about change is "there is no evidence" to prove man is effecting climate change or even could. That issue is settled science. Now the argument is "is it cooling or warming" no one really knows yet.

HS

Where's your evidence for your statement? Where's your proof that man is not affecting the climate? Let's say it's getting cooler but because of man's influence it is not cooling as much as it might.

So making a statement that is just your unreasoned opinion does not establish facts regardless how often you say it.


Rob

 

[houstonscott]

Rob

It is you whom has shown no evidence. I am confident after all this since none has been brought forward there is none. Funny how you assume I must submit to you my evidence that man is not causing climate change. The arrogance of that is staggering. Observations of climate in defined areas is not proof of anything and light years from identifying a cause and pin pointing man as that cause. Science is not even in agreement if climate is warming or cooling. The infinitesimal amounts of materials being emitted by man when compared to the whole would lead a reasonable person with no agenda to come to the conclusions that man couldn't effect climate even if it became our goal.

HS

 

[Egon]

The global warming discussions has me all confused but I do know if the hen turns into fried chicken there probably ain't no fresh eggs for breakfast!