Global Warming?

[toppop52]

Loren, you seem to somehow think that Jefferson's private beliefs matter, they don't. At least beyond EXACTLY what is in the Constitution. He could believe elephants fly in private, but unless flying elephants were constitutionally mandated, they are irrelevant.
The Treaty is just that, a treaty, post Constitution. What some prof at a university says, doesn't change the document, it's an opinion.

 

[EE_Bota]

A partial listing of religious beliefs. Which ones do we post?

I don't agree with the state posting the 10 commandments anew, but I don't see a need to spend new money on the removal. But that's just me, and reasonable people can disagree.

But I wonder which of the religions in the long list disagree with the 10 commandments, and knowing that would be helpful, since much of the 10 is codified into law.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Many of our Founding Fathers have given their unabashed opinion concerning religion. For the most part, it seems to me that they did not want religion to be a force in the governance of the country. Giving religion the force of law automatically creates a priviledged class with the power to control the rest of the people. Wonder if they ever thought of adding a short phrase like..."Congress shall pass no law respecting socialism"?

Our Founding Fathers on Religion

 

[toppop52]

I agree with both Dennis and Bota, I'm not promoting adding new plaques, documents or dogma, just really don't see the point removing it to press led fanfare.

 

[IslandTractor]

I agree with both Dennis and Bota, I'm not promoting adding new plaques, documents or dogma, just really don't see the point removing it to press led fanfare.

Placing plaques with religious dogma in public spaces is either right or wrong. You cannot have it both ways. Sneaking a plaque in when no one is paying attention and then arguing that you don't see the point in removing it is just silly.

 

[toppop52]

Sneaking one in? What are you talking about? I was referring to articles placed long before the PC police arrived, and see no reason to spend taxpayer money to ostensibly soothe ones feelings, but which in reality is a play for control.

 

[IslandTractor]

Sneaking one in? What are you talking about? I was referring to articles placed long before the PC police arrived, and see no reason to spend taxpayer money to ostensibly soothe ones feelings, but which in reality is a play for control.

There was no open comment period or publicity prior to installing some of these religious symbols or plaques with religious text. Usually a relatively small number of people just decide to do it without asking if there is dissent. That's what I mean by sneaking it in. They know perfectly well that publicizing their intent will incur resistance so the projects are done quietly.

 

[turnkey4099]

Interesting articles, Mace.



First, The One Who created sex...is totally Awesome!!!

Second, consider Global warming and evolution.
Not everyone believes in them. But, there are some who are convinced they are true.
In the interest of sparing the world from catastrophe... they preach AGW to bring about converts... hoping to save the world.
In the interest of sparing the world from religion... some preach evolution, to bring about converts... hoping for secularism.
Assuming honest belief, promoters of both, want to win the opposition to the truth.

The stand I take, is for that reason. Truth. I am interested in promoting Truth.

You can't promote Truth...privately.

Third. Secularism and all religions... are not in harmony. Existing beliefs have opposite teachings. That is a contradiction. If the world possesses individuals who seek the Truth... and want to promote Truth... these various individuals will find themselves, contradicting those around them. This creates conflict. Not peace.

If peace, and belief in private, were the ultimate goal... AGW and evolution believers would be silent. Yet, they are not. Why? They want others to believe and accept "their" truth. If we all would just stop disagreeing with them, or denying, the world would be at peace... they think.

Secularists... preach it... hard.

Anyone who believes anything, for real, that they think really matters, will proclaim it... if they care about society.

What I believe, I believe for real. I believe it matters. I care about society.

You can't proclaim Truth...privately.

Unfortunately the fact is that for "truth" to _be_ truth, it needs evidence - leaves out most of religion.

Harry K

 

[turnkey4099]

I don't agree with the state posting the 10 commandments anew, but I don't see a need to spend new money on the removal. But that's just me, and reasonable people can disagree.

But I wonder which of the religions in the long list disagree with the 10 commandments, and knowing that would be helpful, since much of the 10 is codified into law.

Most of the 10 commandments are nothing more than a codification of the morals of that civilisation. Those morals predated the 10 commandments by generations. The laws are the same and did not resort to the 10 commandments as a source.

Harry K

 

[toppop52]

There was no open comment period or publicity prior to installing some of these religious symbols or plaques with religious text. Usually a relatively small number of people just decide to do it without asking if there is dissent. That's what I mean by sneaking it in. They know perfectly well that publicizing their intent will incur resistance so the projects are done quietly.

Again, not on topic, most of these were placed prior to there being an outcry about everything and prior to the massive liberal agenda to make everyone realize they were being wronged, even if they had to lie to them and indoctrinate them first. Anything placed in recent years against protest should be adjudicated and removed if deemed improper. Things put in the 1920's in some small town where the population was almost all some form of Christianity should be exempt, why would you remove something that was perfectly acceptable when it was placed? And no, it's not the same as slavery, burning at the stake or any other extreme you are about to compare it to.