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   / Global Warming? #2,961  
...dumb people these days!

as opposed to people that are able to speak? :laughing:

you AGW advocates are like a pack of hounds barking up a tree that the coon long since departed and is a mile away...

BTW, if by "dumb" you meant ignorant or stupid....I got some news for you... your obvious gullibility and blather laden opinions do not make you intelligent...just the opposite...!
 
   / Global Warming? #2,962  
Didn't you watch the video- said 2 dust storms- a year apart. That makes 2 -100 year events within 2 years!
I thought 100 year events were separated by 100 years. Guess GW moved the time table up.
It's GW stupid.... I like that, It's GW stupid...:D:D:laughing::laughing::)

OH my GOD!!! you're right....................What do we do? ............who do we pay? ..........We must do something!!..and soon.

You know there's a link , I'm looking for it, that says using too many smile faces cause Global Warming
You should conserve. Your very wasteful.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,963  
Things you won't see on the Weather Channel.

1) There hasn't been one landfall hurricane in the U.S. in over 7 years; a "record".

2) There is no evidence of increasing intensity or frequency of hurricanes. As satellites have only been available for roughly 50 years, it is not surprising every Tiny Tim storm is recorded where nobody would otherwise have witnessed it. Sandy was not even a hurricane and not a "mega-storm". It occurred during high tide and full moon. One would have to believe CO2 is an intelligent being and planned accordingly and it wouldn't be shocking if some do. In 1954-1955 there were 6 (six) hurricanes that hit the East coast; 5 were H3, one H4. Sandy wasn't even H1. Don't take my word for it, the link below is a NOAA map which even they can't erase from history. With a cold PDO and still warm AMO, hurricanes will become more frequent as they were in the 1950's. It's a cycle folks, yet some think history began in 1979.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/data/images/tracks/majors_1951_1960.jpg

Despite what some may believe, the storm track Sandy was on has not warmed in 70 years. After Sandy however, the region cooled tremendously.

3) Tornadoes are not getting worse; quite the opposite. Nine of the ten deadliest tornadoes occurred before 1960 when CO2 was at "safe" levels (whatever that means). Again, satellites detect the smallest of storms so there is no way to compare directly every period of classifed tornado count for the last 100 years. However, the more severe tornadoes were recorded more accurately. Don't take my word for it. Here is NOAA data on that as well. No way they can doctor that either. Question: if there's a tornado in the woods and nobody is there to witness it, will the wind still blow? 2012 is nothing special.
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/tornado/clim/EF3-EF5.png

4) The Antarctic is not melting away as was predicted; ice extent has been increasing as well as mass. Temperatures are not increasing either. Of course after the fact climate "scientists" claim that's what they predicted all along.

5) The Arctic melted more than what was predicted, so they can't even get that right and cannot explain it either other than repeating the same "mandunit" mantra. However, wind and ocean currents are a larger contributor to ice loss than temperature. This happened in both 2007 and 2012 and as the AMO returns to its cold phase as the PDO has (see current Bering Sea ice), the Eastern Arctic ice retreat will reverse just as it always has. Greenland is still no warmer than it was in the 1930's.

All of the above is easily verifiable.

So what was predicted in 1988 that got everyone's panties in a bind? Note the picture of the super heated Antarctic which was supposed to warm faster and more than the Arctic. Remember, the "greenhouse effect" is supposed to warm most at the poles (plural).
pg. 54 Popular Science - Google Books That article and James Hansen Congressional testimony the same year is what hooked me for several years. It is a load of garbage.

Someone mentioned glaciers are melting at an "unprecedented rate". Sorry, but the vast majority of glacier melt occurred before 1960. Less honest people (scientists are people too) often fail to point out that fact. Many glaciers are now growing; that is rarely reported either. Alaska was for several years the 'canary in the coal mine' poster child for AGW, but they don't talk about Alaska these days. Why? Because the PDO flipped negative and just as The Great Climate Shift occurred in ~1975 to the warm phase, now it is returning to 20-30 years of cold. Oh darn, another AGW fail.

I did not pollute the thread with multiple graphs and pictures. If some demand such evidence with links to the data source, I'm happy to oblige.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,964  
I have a question for all the supremely confident deniers in this thread: do any of you have a college science degree of any type? Any of you done university graduate work in science? Anyone worked in a research lab?

Would you accept the unsupported views of an untrained electrician or plumber when building your house? Would you allow a nice guy with a tractor determine whether a plane you and your family were going to travel in was airworthy? Maybe you are all remarkably capable of consistently picking winners at the track just by luck. Must be cause y'all don't know jack sheet about scientific method and simply continue, in classic ditto head chest thumping fashion, to regurgitate anti intellectual crap from blogs. Don't you ever get curious about principles of scientific investigation? Do you ever read primary sources or academic reviews?

There are still many many questions about how climate change works, especially what and how man influences it so I am amazed at your confidence in dismissing AGW. Well, I am amazed if your scientific review leads you to your conclusion. However, I strongly suspect there is little if any open minded review at all. The more I read the stuff you post the more it seems clear you are just ranting obstructionists with a right wing political agenda.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,965  
I have a question for all the supremely confident deniers in this thread: do any of you have a college science degree of any type? Any of you done university graduate work in science? Anyone worked in a research lab?

Would you accept the unsupported views of an untrained electrician or plumber when building your house? Would you allow a nice guy with a tractor determine whether a plane you and your family were going to travel in was airworthy? Maybe you are all remarkably capable of consistently picking winners at the track just by luck. Must be cause y'all don't know jack sheet about scientific method and simply continue, in classic ditto head chest thumping fashion, to regurgitate anti intellectual crap from blogs. Don't you ever get curious about principles of scientific investigation? Do you ever read primary sources or academic reviews?

There are still many many questions about how climate change works, especially what and how man influences it so I am amazed at your confidence in dismissing AGW. Well, I am amazed if your scientific review leads you to your conclusion. However, I strongly suspect there is little if any open minded review at all. The more I read the stuff you post the more it seems clear you are just ranting obstructionists with a right wing political agenda.
Yup like I said too smart, no common sense, seems to be the trend, Just because you have a Science degree does not make you above all.
It's just a title for pondering throughout the day.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,966  
WaxMan said:
Yup like I said too smart, no common sense, seems to be the trend, Just because you have a Science degree does not make you above all.

I agree. A science degree does not make you an expert but the lack of such training puts you at a distinct disadvantage in trying to separate valid data from crap in this particular matter.

A poorly trained welder can sometimes get two pieces of steel bonded but you wouldn't choose such a person to review welding procedures at a nuke plant regardless of his self confidence.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,967  
Methinks they are putting more than just sugar in the al gore kool-aid these days....:laughing:

...because you have a Science degree...

BTW...most of the climate science research is being done with programs and algorithms coded by computer scientists...it will be many decades or longer before they have enough data to make any definitive conclusions...

Anyone that thinks working in an actual research lab makes one iota of a difference (in re: ) is misinformed, misguided and delusional...they believe and worship the alchemists of climate.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,968  
I have a question for all the supremely confident deniers in this thread: do any of you have a college science degree of any type? Any of you done university graduate work in science? Anyone worked in a research lab?

Would you accept the unsupported views of an untrained electrician or plumber when building your house? Would you allow a nice guy with a tractor determine whether a plane you and your family were going to travel in was airworthy? Maybe you are all remarkably capable of consistently picking winners at the track just by luck. Must be cause y'all don't know jack sheet about scientific method and simply continue, in classic ditto head chest thumping fashion, to regurgitate anti intellectual crap from blogs. Don't you ever get curious about principles of scientific investigation? Do you ever read primary sources or academic reviews?

There are still many many questions about how climate change works, especially what and how man influences it so I am amazed at your confidence in dismissing AGW. Well, I am amazed if your scientific review leads you to your conclusion. However, I strongly suspect there is little if any open minded review at all. The more I read the stuff you post the more it seems clear you are just ranting obstructionists with a right wing political agenda.

And a Scientist could ponder off subject thinking of future grants to fund more playtime in the lab for a long, long, time. So no I would not want to pay the poorly trained welder or the fact adjusting/overlooking scientist that does what he wants to suit his needs. Yes I think many scientists have an agenda, Just like Obama does. It's a group of the high and mighty I got the degree you believe me. You're not smart enough attitude to understand as you portrayed so clearly in your post above.
I think take Global Warming off the table you'll have a lot of Scientists looking for some other type of work. Leave it on the table they will be set for a long, long, time.
 
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/pine said:
Methinks they are putting more than just sugar in the al gore kool-aid these days....:laughing:

BTW...most of the climate science research is being done with programs and algorithms coded by computer scientists...it will be many decades or longer before they have enough data to make any definitive conclusions...

Anyone that thinks working in an actual research lab makes one iota of a difference (in re: ) is misinformed, misguided and delusional...they believe and worship the alchemists of climate.

Working in a lab teaches you to think through experimental design, methods, and analysis as well as how to use the literature. You clearly don't have such skills. I don't know what field you were in but i bet there are analogous experiences and credentials that you looked for in colleagues or employees. A basis in scientific method is not learned off political blogs where most of you find your reading material. Moan and groan all you want about evil elitists and scientists at the trough but I would still prefer to hear and read their thoughts on the matter over a group of guys who last studied science in high school and probably weren't paying attention then. I would feel the same way about amateur self taught weldors versus schooled and certified weldors. There is a difference.
 
   / Global Warming? #2,970  
All data is at some point rewritten and posted BY A HUMAN. That HUMAN may or may not have an agenda. So that in itself makes science not trust worthy. Takes nothing to change a 1 to a 2 or a 10 to a 100, to get results THAT HUMAN wants. If a HUMAN forces a certain number that HUMAN may get a grant to keep working for another 20 years. If the number is wrong he loses his job. What would you do. Put down one number and lose your job or put down another number and keep your job for 20 years.


Don't BS me every one of us would fudge a number to keep a job for 20 years.
 
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