bead popped and Rim Guard lost while parked during cold spell

[kco]

There are gauges for liquid filled, but they are expensive from what I recall. I use a regular and rinse it out after, but use a cheapie in case it does get damaged. If the valve stem is at 12:00 you should get only a tiny amount of Rim guard on the gauge.

Post the results.

Have you filled the other tire back up with air and reseated the bead? Wondering if it is leaking air.

The tire shop that came and installed my Rimguard used an ordinary guage. The technician cleaned it with warm dish soap water and thoroughly rinsed it. I think he cleaned it after doing each tire. He drew the water up into the guage and expelled it several times.

 

[xring100]

Milton s-928 for liquid filled tires http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0000AXBXW its $10 shipped to your door rinse it out and lube it with oil i use air tool oil. 1 psi increments

Dave

 

[Gary Fowler]

There is one reason and it's not due to the temperature or the liquid fill. You have a hole in the tire and all the air went out. Simple as that.

That is not true. Most tires will loose a bit of air over time friom either the bead seat, valve core or stem seat and need a topping off to keep optimum pressures. The problem with tractor tires is that they dont look low till they get really low like 6-8 PSI. I had a tire pop off the rim on my B26 just a couple days ago when I was working on a slope just rolling back and forth packing some dirt. The tires looked ok with very little squat to them and not low but after removing the tire and getting it aired back up with no leak found, I checked the other tires. The other rear had 10 pounds with 25 being the max so I put 20 in both rears. Checked the front -18 with 35 being max so I aired them up to 30. I think at least in my case that the tires were a little lower than needed when I got it AND combined with the temperature drop of 80 degrees it lowered even more plus I hadnt checked the air in them as they seemed to be holding up fine. The roll of the tire on the slope caused it to break the bead on the outside of the rim. It had no liquid since Kubota says with backhoe it must be removed so that wasnt a big deal other than having to remove and reinstall the tire.
Also with having liquid in 75% or more of the tire, cold weather makes liquid water shrink till just at freezing point at which time it expands. Cold weather would for sure decrease the volume thus lowering the pressure. Also possible is that the RIMGUARD installer didnt put adequate pressure in the tire to start with so it could have started with just 10 pounds or so and the cold dropped it by half at which time it came off the rim just like mine did. Luckily I didnt have expensive liquid in mine.

 

[RickB]

There is one reason and it's not due to the temperature or the liquid fill. You have a hole in the tire and all the air went out. Simple as that.

One possibility; not the only one.

 

[k0ua]

I haven't reseted the bead. I have never worked with a tire this big. I could wrap a strap around the tire, remove the valve stem, and hope my 15 gal. air tank has enough inrush to seat it. I figure it needs to go to the tire shop to get more Rim Guard so I'd just have them do it and see if there is a hole. I just hope I can get it off the truck and back on the tractor when it's full of liquid. It's going to weigh more than 300 lbs. loaded.

Take this advice for what you paid for it, and if you get killed don't blame me.. BUT.. you can do this if your tractor is on flat ground, and in the clear.. you can block up the rear axle after you jack it up until you get the tire/wheel off. and block all the wheels and set the brake. Now take off the flat tire, and roll it as best you can to the front end loader, and chain it under the FEL so that when you raise the FEL you can drive your pickup truck under it. Then take it to town and get it fixed. and be sure when the repair shop puts it back in you have a 20 foot logchain thru it evenly, otherwise you might not be able to slide the chain much depending on how heavy it is. Anyway when you get home raise the FEL just enough to clear the tire in the back of you pickup and attach the chains to your chainhooks on the FEL.. drive the truck out from under the tire, let it down but keep it upright so you can roll it.. This is a two person job.. roll tire, taking great care to never let it flop over., especially on you. Now the fun begins, in getting the wheel positioned right for the first stud. It can be done, a 2nd person and prybars can help. Maybe there is an easier way, I don't know one. unless you had something like a transmission jack with two rollers on top.. I didn't have one. Good luck.. If any of this advice sounds dangerous, it is.. If you want to avoid danger, then have someone come out and do it.

 

[xring100]

among the other dangerous but effective ways to seat a bead. You always have the the proven shot of starting fluid and match trick works good but error on the side of not enough rather than to much.

Not saying you should but i have done this many times, and every time i think about saying the infamous rednecks last words "hold my beer and watch this"

Dave

 

[k0ua]

among the other dangerous but effective ways to seat a bead. You always have the the proven shot of starting fluid and match trick works good but error on the side of not enough rather than to much.

Not saying you should but i have done this many times, and every time i think about saying the infamous rednecks last words "hold my beer and watch this"

Dave

Well Dave between the two of us and our "dangerous" advice you reckon he is going to make it?

 

[Deere Dude]

If you are going to fix it yourself I would try to air it up while it is on the tractor. Using a strap around the tire you should be able to air it up to the correct pressure. Once the beads are seated take the wheel off and lay it down with a nylon strap of some sort under it so you can pick it up again later and pop the top bead on the valve stem side after you let the air out again. Dump enough RimGuard in until an inch from the top of the wheel when it is laying down. This should be about 3/4 full when the tire is standing. Then put the strap around the circumference of the tire again and air it up to the correct pressure.

The front end loader will work good for picking it up but I have picked them up easily using a 8' step ladder over it with a come-along hooked to the strap around the tire. Then role it to the tire and play with it until you get it on. I did mine myself but I would suggest another set of hands.

It would be nice to just bleed the air out and fill it with a pump while it is on the tractor then you wouldn't have to take it off. I tried that way when I filled mine the first time using a special nozzle and it worked great. But after a mishap later after the bead was popped while on the tractor I didn't have any luck at all filling that way. I lost a bunch more fluid trying to fill while on the tractor, mainly because I think while filling, the weight of the fluid that was left in the tire caused the bead to pop again. Then I lost a bunch of fluid so I took it off and laid it down to fill.

 

[xring100]

Well Dave between the two of us and our "dangerous" advice you reckon he is going to make it?

LOL We can hope so when looking at potentially ingenious ideas i like to have choices. The problem with Ingenious ideas when trying to solve problems on the fly is that they typically walk a fine line of being "insanely amazing" or " insanely stupid" depending on the outcome. I liked your idea on using the loader to move the tire while its blocked.

 

[SPYDERLK]

That is not true. Most tires will loose a bit of air over time friom either the bead seat, valve core or stem seat and need a topping off to keep optimum pressures. The problem with tractor tires is that they dont look low till they get really low like 6-8 PSI. I had a tire pop off the rim on my B26 just a couple days ago when I was working on a slope just rolling back and forth packing some dirt. The tires looked ok with very little squat to them and not low but after removing the tire and getting it aired back up with no leak found, I checked the other tires. The other rear had 10 pounds with 25 being the max so I put 20 in both rears. Checked the front -18 with 35 being max so I aired them up to 30. I think at least in my case that the tires were a little lower than needed when I got it AND combined with the temperature drop of 80 degrees it lowered even more plus I hadnt checked the air in them as they seemed to be holding up fine. The roll of the tire on the slope caused it to break the bead on the outside of the rim. It had no liquid since Kubota says with backhoe it must be removed so that wasnt a big deal other than having to remove and reinstall the tire.
Also with having liquid in 75% or more of the tire, cold weather makes liquid water shrink till just at freezing point at which time it expands. Cold weather would for sure decrease the volume thus lowering the pressure. Also possible is that the RIMGUARD installer didnt put adequate pressure in the tire to start with so it could have started with just 10 pounds or so and the cold dropped it by half at which time it came off the rim just like mine did. Luckily I didnt have expensive liquid in mine.

Sure. But the OP tractor was parked. The anecdote has little relation to the actual incident. A leak makes sense.
larry