Retirement savings ....Yikes !

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Earth to Moss....:) Where are you going to get a SAFE 5% return....pray tell :confused3:

I've been averaging well past double 5% for the past 25 years with the exception of 2008, when I lost about 30% of my net worth. I stayed the course, kept investing, made it all back within a couple years and doubled it shortly thereafter. I don't react to panic buying and selling. I never try to time the market. I dollar cost average, always investing 15% of my income. My wife does the same. We came up with a plan when we got married and have stuck to it. I think we need to keep investing even when we retire. We try to double our net-worth every 7-8 years. I have 15 years until retirement. The last two doubles before retirement is when the big numbers start showing up.
Here's some examples of working towards a goal of doubling your net worth every 7-8 years.

Double your net worth every 8 years starting at age 20 with $15k starting point.
20 = 15,000
28 = 30,000
36 = 60,000
44 = 120,000
52 = 240,000
60 = 480,000
68 = 960,000

Now try it from age 18
18 = 15,000
26 = 30,000
34 = 60,000
42 = 120,000
50 = 240,000
58 = 480,000
66 = 960,000
You get there two years earlier.

Now double your net worth every 7 years instead of 8 starting at age 20 with $15k
20 = 15,000
27 = 30,000
34 = 60,000
41 = 120,000
48 = 240,000
55 = 500,000
62 = 1,000,000 (you passed the 8 year doubling plan 4 years early)
69 = 2,000,000

Start at age 18 and double every 7 years....
18 = 15,000
25 = 60,000
32 = 120,000
39 = 240,000
46 = 500,000
53 = 1,000,000 (you passed the 8 year doubling plan 16 years early)
60 = 2,000,000
67 = 3,000,000 (you got a million dollars more two years earlier than if you started at 20)

This stuff is doable if you start young and stick with your plan. I didn't start until I was mid-twenties. That's why I started my kid at 18. She'll have way more than us way before us. :thumbsup:
 
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I've been averaging well past double 5% for the past 25 years with the exception of 2008, when I lost about 30% of my net worth. I stayed the course, kept investing, made it all back within a couple years and doubled it shortly thereafter. I don't react to panic buying and selling. I never try to time the market. I dollar cost average, always investing 15% of my income. My wife does the same. We came up with a plan when we got married and have stuck to it. I think we need to keep investing even when we retire. We try to double our net-worth every 7-8 years. I have 15 years until retirement. The last two doubles before retirement is when the big numbers start showing up.
Here's some examples of working towards a goal of doubling your net worth every 7-8 years.

Double your net worth every 8 years starting at age 20 with $15k starting point.
20 = 15,000
28 = 30,000
36 = 60,000
44 = 120,000
52 = 240,000
60 = 480,000
68 = 960,000

Now try it from age 18
18 = 15,000
26 = 30,000
34 = 60,000
42 = 120,000
50 = 240,000
58 = 480,000
66 = 960,000
You get there two years earlier.

Now double your net worth every 7 years instead of 8 starting at age 20 with $15k
20 = 15,000
27 = 30,000
34 = 60,000
41 = 120,000
48 = 240,000
55 = 500,000
62 = 1,000,000 (you passed the 8 year doubling plan 4 years early)
69 = 2,000,000

Start at age 18 and double every 7 years....
18 = 15,000
25 = 60,000
32 = 120,000
39 = 240,000
46 = 500,000
53 = 1,000,000 (you passed the 8 year doubling plan 16 years early)
60 = 2,000,000
67 = 3,000,000 (you got a million dollars more two years earlier than if you started at 20)

This stuff is doable if you start young and stick with your plan. I didn't start until I was mid-twenties. That's why I started my kid at 18. She'll have way more than us way before us. :thumbsup:

Moss - I am not talking about the market....I am a scalper...I scalp stocks all the time and sometimes end up being a swing trader if a scalp does not work out...That is one thing...I said ...where can you get 5% SAFE return...guaranteed...like FDIC..?

PS ...be careful being long in the market right now....
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #144  
People have no one to blame but themselves.

I agree somewhat with that part of your statement. I blame myself for choosing to marry the wrong person many years ago. When that person decided to find greener pastures one day I had to take out a loan to pay her half of our net worth, most of which I created. I would have been debt free 8 years ago and pumping money into my 401K. As it turned out, I won't be debt free for another 2 years. The company I work for has never contributed to our 401K accounts. I could have chosen to work somewhere that did.

There are other choices I've made recently that will not allow me to retire comfortably like fathering a child late in life. That's a choice I've made and I don't regret it.

Kevin
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #145  
Moss - I am not talking about the market....I am a scalper...I scalp stocks all the time and sometimes end up being a swing trader if a scalp does not work out...That is one thing...I said ...where can you get 5% SAFE return...guaranteed...like FDIC..?

PS ...be careful being long in the market right now....
Well, not in the bank or CDs, that's for sure. Pathetic, really. If you want it insured by FDIC, you have to settle for little to no interest, and will have to draw it down for income. We live so far below our means that I think we can suffer through market turmoil like 2008. I suspect we will be investing until we die, building our portfolio, not drawing down. At least our house is paid for and we have enough cash to eat and pay property taxes for a long time. :licking:
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #146  
I fear for the future. I'm not sure how the younger generation will be able to save. A new car today costs 10x what they did when I first got my license yet wages in that time may have gone up 2x. Housing, utilities, food, etc. Saving for the future is always the fist to get cut as it's impact is always years (or decades) away. As you age you realize just how much that decision cost you.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #147  
I suspect we will be investing until we die, building our portfolio, not drawing down. At least our house is paid for and we have enough cash to eat and pay property taxes for a long time. :licking:

My financial goal is for the last check I write to bounce. :)
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #148  
Lots of great posts guys. :thumbsup:

I think no matter what you make, the habit of "paying yourself first", is probably the best advice to be given to children, and re-enforced throughout their lives.
 

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