Retirement savings ....Yikes !

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how do you arrange distributions from the various income generating assets that you own?
If you have a super simple investments like Wellington or Wellesley or a Target Retirement Fund, you just sell as much as you need once a year or quarterly as desired to pay your 'salary". If you have separate stocks and bonds, you need to re-balance yearly to keep the stocks/bonds allocation constant. Sell the one that is too high to get back in balance, then sell from both to get your full yearly "salary". Reinvest dividends.

You should keep bonds in a tax advantaged account like an IRA or 401(k) to the extent that you can for tax efficiency. Remember that capital gains and dividends are taxed at a lower rate, so stocks should fill a taxable account to the extent that you can.

how often to do you take distributions?
Up to you - some do it yearly, some quarterly. You need to pay estimated taxes quarterly.

How do you arrange to take your last breath at the same time your accounts are spent? :)
That's why you saved grandpa's pistol. :laughing:

But seriously, you can purchase a SPIA (Single Premium Immediate Annuity). You give a pile of cash to an insurance company and they pay you a monthly amount for as long as you live. Right now with interest rates so low, it's not a good time to buy a SPIA. Also, if you want to leave an inheritance, it is not a good idea. But it is one way to make sure that you never run out of money.
 
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   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #242  
This is really good advice. Particularly in a time where fixed income is yielding lower and lower numbers, and the overall portfolio yield is in single digits, and
sometimes low single digits, paying out standard stock and A share mutual funds commissions can just about wipe out all the profit in the account.
Vanguard is excellent at keeping things simple. I have owned Wellington for over thirty years and recommend it highly. Retired now, I may have been a licensed broker and CFP, but what that taught me is that the pros at Vanguard knew a lot more than I did. And if you like playing the horses, betting on stocks, just limit the total investment to five or ten percent of your total portfolio so if you really screw up, the portfolio marches on according to the goals you have set and your own risk tolerance. And certainly your age.

So many older folk find it very hard to get out of equities into fixed income. But they must... They think because they've held IBM for forty years they still should.
Most likely not, though sticking with conservative blue chips in their equity portion is usually a good idea.

My last career was as a financial planner, and every family I dealt with HAD to deal with budgeting and expense management to some degree.
I had a local couple who were going bankrupt, and it seems getting a divorce also, who wanted financial planning because the wife thought the husband was
hiding money on her, as she could not believe she had to "cut back' when they were making $240k per year. Well, when the dust settled, it was pretty obvious they were spending
$270K per year and their options for financial juggling had run out. Yes, seven thousand dollars a month on your credit card is a significant amount mrs. doe but you can spend anything you want every month as long as you live within your means.

The bottom line was always simple. Save first, spend last. Determine your financial goals, determine what you need to save to accomplish them,
which usually gets down to how much per month or paycheck you need to save. And then, and only then, if there is money left over after normal cost of living and
meeting all your savings goals, THEN go buy your plasma big screen. But usually its spend first, and then save whatever is left, which usually isn't much.

I didn't have kids so I was able to retire at age 60 to take care of my wife when she got sick. Less money per year, but still enough.
And since we aren't "taking it with us", our pull rate is 5%, not 4. Everyone's best laid plans seem to go haywire when bad health comes along, or the grandkids need to go to a special learning disabled school and your kids just can't afford it. Kids are expensive because grandkids are expensive! And worth every penny, priceless actually, but that's of little comfort when the fixed income streams just don't allow it.

and since dementia is becoming more and more common, either because of better reporting or ? that the most responsible retirement plans can explode easily if an uncovered long term care illness eats up your savings at $60-80K per year.

It's scary how many people have SS as their only retirement income. How does one cut back when one is already hungry? Sure the system is gamed and abused, but the reality of so many older folk is really grim. So don't be one of them, control your destiny and retirement by saving as much as you can.

great posting.
 
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If you do plan on leaving something to your heirs, which I do, in investment terms you should be following a plan suitable to their age, not yours.

My wife inherited from her family, and that provides a safety buffer that is nice to have. We've never spent it though. My goal is to add to it and pay it forward to our two kids who are 34 and 39 now. I'm sure I could fritter it away on expensive stuff, but I would never feel like I earned it.

It won't be enough to make them "sitting pretty", but if it works out it will be some nice padding.
 
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Also - avoid commissions and taxes (legally, of course).
What would be the best way to do this?
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #245  
Also - avoid commissions and taxes (legally, of course).
What would be the best way to do this?

Buy no load mutual funds from a low cost source like Vanguard, Fidelity or T Rowe Price. If you buy index funds as opposed to a managed fund your costs will be lower and results about the same - maybe better.

For bonds, you can use tax exempt municipal bonds, though they generally pay a little lower rate. Stock long term gains and dividends are taxed at maximum 15%. less in lower tax brackets. See link.

No Capital Gains Taxes Due For Some Investors | Bankrate.com
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #246  
My daugher (age 20) earns good money as she sleeps (trust fund). $3,000 last year, $18 hundred year before, $2,000 year before that. Fund was set up for college. I hope she keeps the stock funds and learns from it... dividend are free money. I'm stuck with paying her college now... When she turns 21, she will be worth more than me! My son had the same deal, but older... he ran out of funds. Probably got $50,000 at age 21? Younger little sister will have an additional six years of growth with her funds. Its cool to make money while you sleep!
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #247  
My daugher (age 20) earns good money as she sleeps (trust fund). $3,000 last year, $18 hundred year before, $2,000 year before that. Fund was set up for college. I hope she keeps the stock funds and learns from it... dividend are free money. I'm stuck with paying her college now... When she turns 21, she will be worth more than me! My son had the same deal, but older... he ran out of funds. Probably got $50,000 at age 21? Younger little sister will have an additional six years of growth with her funds. Its cool to make money while you sleep!

My dad put money into savings for me, when I turned 6. He added to it every birthday, in lieu of big birthday presents. I think it is one of the best things a parent can do for a child. If a child doesn't dip into it for fun and games, but continues to add to it at all, it will make life nicer in the long run.

So, yes, it is nice to make money when you sleep, even if you consider it untouchable until a certain age, as I do.
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #248  
the wife and i have enough to live comfortably on 4% of invested money....but have to reach 59-1/2 (i believe) before we can touch the IRA's without a distribution penalty. so still have to work.

Mind you..I only work 2-3 days a week, but still wish i could just retire right now. My wife lost her great job with amazing pay and health insurance when the company pulled up stakes and split last November. Now she just works to make enough $$ to pay for the health insurance.

She's counting the years to full retirement also....but we'll see.

My luck, 1 day before retirement, the govt will seize 90% of all invested money. Would be my luck
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #249  
My daugher (age 20) earns good money as she sleeps (trust fund). $3,000 last year, $18 hundred year before, $2,000 year before that. Fund was set up for college. I hope she keeps the stock funds and learns from it... dividend are free money. I'm stuck with paying her college now... When she turns 21, she will be worth more than me! My son had the same deal, but older... he ran out of funds. Probably got $50,000 at age 21? Younger little sister will have an additional six years of growth with her funds. Its cool to make money while you sleep!

Sounds great. Where do I sign up?
 
   / Retirement savings ....Yikes ! #250  
Some one said earlier... pay your self first... work everytime.

mark
 

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