Gun Control: This speaks for itself

[Cat_Driver]

Nothing on TBN gets a bigger reaction than gun control. I'm always amazed that so many people see any and all gun control as unnecessary and dangerous. Well, I think this situation speaks for itself.

Toddler, five, accidentally kills two-year-old sister with

Are you blanking kidding ME !!!! - Seriously you pull ONE article about a 5 year old to prove WHAT EXACTLY. Nothing.

I'll see your ONE LAME dead 5 year old and SEE YOU 882 LIVE people that were saved by G-U-N-S.
Guns Save Lives - Stories of Self Defense

How about a little WHITE board



Here's another Boat load of peopel SAVED by guns

Citizens Defend Themselves With Guns

You want more because I can do this all night

Keep and Bear Arms - Gun Owners Home Page - 2nd Amendment Supporters

How about me personally being saved THREE times by having a gun.
How about the Korean Shop owners that saved their lives and business during the LA Riots when POLICE would not go into the area.

Oh and if eliminating HUNS stopped killing then eliminate XACTO knives because a gut just slashed dozens of people. Hey come on if you really want to save people BAN ALL Pressure cookers - what why so silent on Pressure cookers.

Where's the LINK showing how the Pressure COOKER - " SPEAKS FOR ITSELF"

Maybe we should have laws against sarin gas - oh wait we already do and yet CRIMINALS still use it.

More show and tell - LOOK AROUND cops were no where to be found and yet an armed 71 year old saved DOZENS of people.

 

[MossRoad]

Gun control is a controversial topic on both sides of the boarder. Regardless of what guns you are allowed to own, gun control should prevent children from owning guns and require safe storage of guns. I agree, this is mostly a parenting issue, but the laws set the situation up in the first place.

Chidren that young cannot "own" anything. It is all the property (and responsibility) of the parents.

What law would punish these parents any harder than they'll already be punished inside their hearts?

If you're suggesting that preventing people from posessing fireams in the first place would prevent these kinds of tragedies, well, then, you are correct. No guns anywhere would definetly = no gun deaths. However, as I alluded to earlier, you'd also have to collect all the other things that can tragically cut short the life of a child, like cars, dogs, 5 gallon buckets, swimming pools, heavy TVs, bicycles, trampolines, the list goes on and on.

Here's a link to the top 10 leading causes of death put together by the Center for Disease Control.
Not surprisingly, as of 2010, the most-recent gathering of statistics I could find, the leading cause of death for people between the ages of 2 and 44 years of age is "Unintentionl Injury".
http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_All_Deaths_By_Age_Group_2010-a.pdf
That covers a LOT of things.

Here's a link to the leading causes of non-fatal injuries. This is the one that makes you think about all the other things more important to watch out for than firearms.
http://www.cdc.gov/Injury/wisqars/p...Nonfatal_Injuries_Tx_Hospital-ED_US2010-a.pdf

Here's a link to the main website, too. Good reading.
CDC - Ten Leading Causes of Death and Injury - PDFs

 

[orezok]

Guns do not kill People, a gun is just a tool that poeple use It should be called poeple cotroll once they learn to controll poeple they will have the answer but not until then.!!

Well rats and mosquitos don't kill people, but the diseases they carry do. I guess that this means that we should allow rats and mosquitos the freedom to do as they will.

 

[greasemonkeyok]

Are you blanking kidding ME !!!! - Seriously you pull ONE article about a 5 year old to prove WHAT EXACTLY. Nothing.

I'll see your ONE LAME dead 5 year old and SEE YOU 882 LIVE people that were saved by G-U-N-S....

The fallacy in that comparison is the time period involved with each number.

How many people were killed by guns during the same time period in which 882 people were allegedly saved by guns? That would be a relevant comparison.

Furthermore, of those 882 people, are you asserting all would have died if they didn't have guns? Might the number represent the number of wallets saved, not lives?

 

[2LaneCruzer]

I told myself I wasn't going to post on this thread, but when this statement came across.....well.

I have never seen a gun marketed to children. Maybe you need to travel down and see for yourself. Until then, maybe you need to figuire out what you are claiming, before posting it. Claiming we are OK with what you claim is just showing your ignorance.

I've been good with a firearm since age 7, but they were not lying around the house. They were always under lock, if any other kids were over to visit, since they may not have had such training.

I don't think gun safes existed when my dad was a kid, but there were rifles and other guns around. None of the kids were harmed by a firearm either. Maybe knowing about them was the key.

It is one thing to respect the weapon, but some of the enighbors to the north seem to be AFRAID of them. I find that a bit odd. Just saying.

I'm with you FGirl; this thread represents the classic 2nd Amendment/Gun control arguments that have been going on for some time and continue to this day. Most of us have argued with, and rebutted the gun grabbers to no avail, and I for one have no interest in a protracted discussion on the subject. However, having said that, I would offer the following, which pretty much sums up the way that I see the situation:

Shane: "A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."

A Gun Is a Tool - Shane (5/8) Movie CLIP (1953) HD - YouTube

 

[keegs]

If you bring a gun into the home, without the proper instruction and training, the chances of its use in an accident like this or its use in the commission of a crime increase considerably. And the greater the number of guns in circulation, the greater number of incidents of either stripe will and do occur.

It's something some gun owners perhaps discount in pursuing their right to own a gun.

 

[EarPlug]

A "Law" (or Statute) does not prevent crimes.
All a Law can do/does is defines an action that Society (or politicians) deem is an unacceptable behavior or actions.
Then the Law prescribes the punishment for the violation.

The only way a Law prevents an action is if a person agrees not to commit the action. If a person decides to ignore the Law they are labeled a Criminal or Defendant. It does not matter if it is Murder, Speeding or not paying your dinner tab.

Attempting to Ban something does not work either - look how well Prohibition worked.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

If you bring a gun into the home, without the proper instruction and training, the chances of its use in an accident like this or its use in the commission of a crime increase considerably. And the greater the number of guns in circulation, the greater number of incidents of either stripe will and do occur.

It's something some gun owners perhaps discount in pursuing their right to own a gun.

All of our freedoms and priviledges are imbued with a significant element of personal responsibility; the greater that responsibility is adhered to, the greater their contribution to society.

 

[greasemonkeyok]

... Most of us have argued with, and rebutted the gun grabbers to no avail, and I for one have no interest in a protracted discussion on the subject.

While the premise that a firearm is just a tool is valid, that doesn't mean everyone who advocates restrictions, like expanded background checks, is a dreaded "gun grabber." It is not a binary choice.

If you believe parents should control firearms in the home, the same concept applies to firearms in society in general. The government should take reasonable actions to keep firearms out of the hands of those adults who do not have the capacity to use them responsibly. That includes those with generally diminished mental capacity, those with antisocial personality disorders/criminals, and those with anger management issues.

We should be talking about how to identify those adults and how to insure their access is denied. Not quibling over the meaning of the Second Amendment and whether any restrictions violate the Constitution. Frankly, the Supreme Court has not addressed the concealed carry issue, and if we don't make some headway toward limiting access by the unfit, we may lose the right to concealed carry.

Just my opinion of where we are and the political realities of the day.

 

[greasemonkeyok]

A "Law" (or Statute) does not prevent crimes....

So, if we repeal all laws there will be no crime and everything will be hunky-dory.

That dog don't hunt.