Loadstar
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Too many laws, too many lawyers, hoops to jump through, even simply fishing is getting to be a pita.
we are a dying breed
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Dr_Zinj
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
Small wonder that you're getting fewer hunters and fishers.
First turkey I ever shot, the Department of Fish and Game sent a cop out to the house while I was at work who did his best to try to get my son to (1) let him in the house, (2) confess that we were putting bait out for the animals to lure them into our lawn, (3) confess to lying about where and how I'd shot the turkey.
Never mind that my son was in bed when I shot the bird and didn't see it until it was all over with.
Never mind that we've never put food out for game animals to come into the yard. ****, I have to chase them out of it or all my flowerbeds and garden would be trashed.
Never mind that I really did get out of bed, get the shotgun, and step out onto the front steps and fill my tag while still in my briefs.
Pure harassment by some petty tyrant with a badge.
Small wonder that you're getting fewer hunters and fishers.
First turkey I ever shot, the Department of Fish and Game sent a cop out to the house while I was at work who did his best to try to get my son to (1) let him in the house, (2) confess that we were putting bait out for the animals to lure them into our lawn, (3) confess to lying about where and how I'd shot the turkey.
Never mind that my son was in bed when I shot the bird and didn't see it until it was all over with.
Never mind that we've never put food out for game animals to come into the yard. ****, I have to chase them out of it or all my flowerbeds and garden would be trashed.
Never mind that I really did get out of bed, get the shotgun, and step out onto the front steps and fill my tag while still in my briefs.
Pure harassment by some petty tyrant with a badge.
creekbend
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
In our area, there are vehicles parked everywhere on the sides of the roads, when Deer Season opens. The Caswell Game Lands are scattered throughout the County. All the hunters gather at the local Country Stores and talk stories and show their kills. A great majority are accompanied by their Sons and even Daughters and Wives. The same with Rabbit Season and Squirrel Season. Turkey Season brings out Hunters from several neighboring Counties.
In our area, there are vehicles parked everywhere on the sides of the roads, when Deer Season opens. The Caswell Game Lands are scattered throughout the County. All the hunters gather at the local Country Stores and talk stories and show their kills. A great majority are accompanied by their Sons and even Daughters and Wives. The same with Rabbit Season and Squirrel Season. Turkey Season brings out Hunters from several neighboring Counties.
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
Most hunting requires getting out of bed before noon. Fishing doesn't always result in the "instant gratification" kids now expect in every aspect of life. We spend a lot of tax money fighting obesity and other problems that are relatively new.
As parents we thought we were doing our kids a favor by making their lives easy. Pogo said "we have met the enemy and he is us" (or something like that).
On the plus side, it is less competition for us old geezers that still enjoy a day fishing whether we catch anything or not (an old saying said that God does not subtract from your time on earth any time spent fishing).
Most hunting requires getting out of bed before noon. Fishing doesn't always result in the "instant gratification" kids now expect in every aspect of life. We spend a lot of tax money fighting obesity and other problems that are relatively new.
As parents we thought we were doing our kids a favor by making their lives easy. Pogo said "we have met the enemy and he is us" (or something like that).
On the plus side, it is less competition for us old geezers that still enjoy a day fishing whether we catch anything or not (an old saying said that God does not subtract from your time on earth any time spent fishing).
300UGUY
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
I think here in Michigan, deer hunting has become very expensive. Most hunting is on private land, and landowner's are charging $300+ for deer season. Plus all the stuff guys "need" for hunting. I hunted with a Marlin 336 in the north, a shotgun in lower Michigan. Now a friend has a $3000 tied upin a muzzleloader! Bird hunting has basically disappeared, the big farms have wiped out the old fencerows, and the herbacides and pesticides have wiped out the feedstock for pheasants. Fishing here can be iffy, the lakes still have a lot of polluntants that aren't good for you.
I think here in Michigan, deer hunting has become very expensive. Most hunting is on private land, and landowner's are charging $300+ for deer season. Plus all the stuff guys "need" for hunting. I hunted with a Marlin 336 in the north, a shotgun in lower Michigan. Now a friend has a $3000 tied upin a muzzleloader! Bird hunting has basically disappeared, the big farms have wiped out the old fencerows, and the herbacides and pesticides have wiped out the feedstock for pheasants. Fishing here can be iffy, the lakes still have a lot of polluntants that aren't good for you.
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
You were doing so well, until you said that. The Agricultural Farmer pays for the wildlife you see running around. The States just take advantage of that fact and charge us to participate in the harvest. I was just brush cutting waterways a couple days ago and noticed the two outside rows of corn around our fields are 80% gone.
You were doing so well, until you said that. The Agricultural Farmer pays for the wildlife you see running around. The States just take advantage of that fact and charge us to participate in the harvest. I was just brush cutting waterways a couple days ago and noticed the two outside rows of corn around our fields are 80% gone.
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
25 years ago the family had a lot of problems with dirt bikes trashing the land...
Can't remember the last time I heard or saw a dirt bike.
Up the street a family has two teenagers... nice enough kids... some had lived on the same street and had NEVER seen them... they come home to homework and video games...
Kids really don't play outside or explore where I am... hardly anyone on the park trails under age 30.
Also noticed a big increase in game... I've got a 3 point buck that sleeps under an Oak in my backyard... doesn't even stir when I'm out there and as healthy as can be. Almost like a pet in demeanor.
Same for the wild turkeys... flocks just roam.
25 years ago the family had a lot of problems with dirt bikes trashing the land...
Can't remember the last time I heard or saw a dirt bike.
Up the street a family has two teenagers... nice enough kids... some had lived on the same street and had NEVER seen them... they come home to homework and video games...
Kids really don't play outside or explore where I am... hardly anyone on the park trails under age 30.
Also noticed a big increase in game... I've got a 3 point buck that sleeps under an Oak in my backyard... doesn't even stir when I'm out there and as healthy as can be. Almost like a pet in demeanor.
Same for the wild turkeys... flocks just roam.
allen6634
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
i agree there is a company that is begging for welders where i live, i have 2 kids and if it doesn't have a keybord they don't care , i dread the next 40 years lol.
i agree there is a company that is begging for welders where i live, i have 2 kids and if it doesn't have a keybord they don't care , i dread the next 40 years lol.
dave1949
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Re: we are a dyeing breed
A lot of people engage in outdoor sports and activities other than hunting and fishing. Since the 1960's things like rock climbing, mountain biking, hiking, bird watching, wildlife photography, snowmobiles, ATV's, para-sailing/hang gliding, snowboarding and alpine skiing have all become huge businesses.
People do get out, and spend a lot of money, just for different pursuits. It is a value judgement to say one's hunting trip is better than someone else's skiing trip.
If the same percentage of a now larger population pursued hunting and fishing as in earlier times, it would drive the participation costs very high. The supply of lands available for that is shrinking. From that perspective, the remaining avid hunters and fishermen ought not to look a gift horse in the mouth. :laughing:
Deciding who pays what for their outdoor recreation is the challenge. In most states, hunting and fishing carries too much of the financial burden of maintaining the wildlife that many others enjoy the use of.
Doing away with regulations would result in a return to the days when wildlife game was all but gone before regulations. For example, I think we would find bear carcasses here in Maine with their paws and bile glands removed because those are worth a lot in the black market trade. There would be no trout left in Maine lakes and rivers were it not for the state hatcheries restocking them every year. Who supports the hatchery and the cost of policing limits, seasons and baits, if fees and regulations are eliminated?
Even at the currently reduced hunting and fishing demand, the natural supply is over-used in many cases.
A lot of people engage in outdoor sports and activities other than hunting and fishing. Since the 1960's things like rock climbing, mountain biking, hiking, bird watching, wildlife photography, snowmobiles, ATV's, para-sailing/hang gliding, snowboarding and alpine skiing have all become huge businesses.
People do get out, and spend a lot of money, just for different pursuits. It is a value judgement to say one's hunting trip is better than someone else's skiing trip.
If the same percentage of a now larger population pursued hunting and fishing as in earlier times, it would drive the participation costs very high. The supply of lands available for that is shrinking. From that perspective, the remaining avid hunters and fishermen ought not to look a gift horse in the mouth. :laughing:
Deciding who pays what for their outdoor recreation is the challenge. In most states, hunting and fishing carries too much of the financial burden of maintaining the wildlife that many others enjoy the use of.
Doing away with regulations would result in a return to the days when wildlife game was all but gone before regulations. For example, I think we would find bear carcasses here in Maine with their paws and bile glands removed because those are worth a lot in the black market trade. There would be no trout left in Maine lakes and rivers were it not for the state hatcheries restocking them every year. Who supports the hatchery and the cost of policing limits, seasons and baits, if fees and regulations are eliminated?
Even at the currently reduced hunting and fishing demand, the natural supply is over-used in many cases.