we are a dying breed

[gwdixon]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

I have no idea why you would make that comment, my daughter and i have fished sense she aws 3 years old and she's in her late 30's now. what most of the post were saying is the kids don't want to go fishing or hunting, they can find a game that resembles it and don't have to leave the couch. you know the old saying you can led a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

You are contradicting the post you made that I responded to (#31). Plus, nobody is writing about your daughter. There are exceptions to every trend.

It was explained why we don't have the interest of the kids. It was explained how to fix it...it is our behavior as adults/leaders that is responsible for the decline of "our breed" dying out.

Kids are not born with an iPad or video game. All behavior is learned (beyond instinctual behavior) so what children have become is what we taught them.

 

[SPIKER]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

Back when we (brother and I) were kids, (I was 6~8 years old John was 4 yrs older) fishing and hunting with BB Gun, Wrist Rockets and by 10yrs old crack shot with the 22. We fished & hunted for food, we ate a lot of rabbit and squirrels, so often I thought Buck Shot was one of the food groups. Never had Quail as there just were not much around then. We trapped muskrats & hunted coon for pelts to make $. John was my constant hunting fishing companion & with him passing 3 yeas back pretty much gave up on most of it. His son is avid hunter but not as much into fishing. He got him smaller Doe yesterday & had back straps last night.

I also have to agree that the costs have gotten pretty bad 22 bucks for fishing license, have not bought one this year. last few years I kept buying but never time to go fishing so being out of work just didnt worry about it now. Most of the kids though are face planted into phones and or video games so much so they can NOT do ANYTHING. Seems most are too dumbed down to have enough brains to try and start a mower & most certainly not enough motivation to push one.
My nephew who has started to learn hard work pays off & has at least started to listen to us OLD GUYS on how things work. Not to mention he was raised without all those electronic doo dads that eat up 40 hours a day...


Mark

 

[Larro Darro]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

Part of the problem is that so many folks, not just kids, have no connection with the food they eat. When you are raised having to wring the chicken's neck before there is fried chicken for dinner, cleaning fish or game is nothing. But to city folk, having the take the skin or scales off an animal, then cut his head off and rip his guts out is just more than they can stand. These days food comes from the store, not the farm.

But in Calhoun County Florida, fishing and hunting are alive and will. A man might not have a decent house to live in, but come hunting season his rifle will be ready. And he will have a boat to fish in. The local papers always have pictures of kids with the deer they kill. But there is more kids shying away from it. My boss has two sons that are big hunters and fishermen, yet her 7 year old grandson doesn't like having to sit still in the tree stand for so long. He would rather shoot cans with his rifle than wait for a deer or hog.

I don't pay attention to the cost of things you have to have, like milk, gas, hunting and fishing licenses. But I think I paid about $150 for my last five year hunting and freshwater fishing licenses. That is not too bad. I spend more on corn each year than fees. Here the main cost is buying membership in a hunt club. Since the big timber companies {St Joe Co} have leased their lands, and most folks don't own woodland, there is no place to hunt. Every year we have people asking us to hunt or fish on our land. And there are those who don't ask, just try to sneak in without asking.

I Googled the cost of Florida hunting and fishing licenses. It is $17 each per year, $32.50 for freshwater and hunting and $48 for saltwater, freshwater and hunting. Five year hunting or fishing is $79 and I couldn't find the combo, but I guess it is about $162.50 or so. The price must have gone up since I got mine, or I might be suffering from CRS.

Larro

 

[ultrarunner]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

Yep, my Dad had a 35 hp Evinrude on a Texas Maid Falcon that I used on Lavon, Lewisville, and Texoma lakes with no fees to pay; just had to buy the gas. Dad later traded that rig for a Texas Maid Fiesta a 30 hp Evinrude; bigger boat, but slightly smaller engine.

My Fiber-Flite sportsman was also made in Texas... still has the original upohlstery that is well worn from 1958 and goodyear tires from 1958 too!

I guess at one time Goodyear really made good trailer tires.

They were 40 years old and I was still trailering from Oakland CA to South Lake Tahoe.

It's a shame I can't pass on the experiences to my nieces and nephew... to go out on the lake with the same boat as their Grandparents and add a few pictures to the family album.

We all learned to ski behind that 35hp Evinrude Lark!

Around age 10 I was in charge of the boat... fuel mix, battery charged, bearings greased, lights working, lifejackets, ski flag, curent registration... the only thing I could not do was drive to the lunch...

http://www.fiberglassics.com/wiki/images/f/fe/Fiberflitebxx003.jpg

 

[schweizer]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

California sport fishing licensess: $46/year for residents, $123/year for out-of-state (me), +tags and cards for various fish or river systems.

 

[sam5570]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

Virginia fishing licenses cost $50 a year thats everything. i don't see that as a bad deal i know it sounds high but you can catch a lot of fish for that money.

 

[Ken]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

All this week have been watching Deer hunters going to the woods for the bow season. One will be driving a r.v. bus or pulling a camper. Then a pickup with 4 whl'r usually 2 or 4 on trailer .
Most of the land in this country area is closed to deer hunters because of the "city" hunters bring in a load of trash and dumping where ever they parked.
I have found game cameras on my property , deer stands. and had a lengthy discussion with neighbor as to how far his hunting rights extended onto my property. after he gripped at my stand in center of 40 acre field.
Sitting in a hunting spot and saw a young boy with shot gun taller than him . got his attention and he asked what does a buck look like. I explained to him to sit by me and be quiet will show him a deer soon .
Talking with him he was a neighbor kid I didn't know about. so spent more time teaching him what to do rather than hunting my self.
All this to say the focus is on what the needs are to go hunting. and costs. just stepping out to a field and being in deer area is past. Now have to have the latest in fashion to hunt same with fishing.

I do feel that the younger generation is missing the pleasure of hunting . but no way would I go rock climbing or spend a week end walking on a trail. cleared to wide path and signs on what to see or look at.

Talking to a game and fish employee a month ago His job at end of day is walking a trail to make sure all the walkers were off the path before night fall. Because the trail gate would be closed.

regulations on regulations is stopping many from enjoying the out doors.
ken

 

[dmccarty]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

It has been more than twenty years but I think back in the 80's you did not need a fishing license in FLA if you were bank fishing and using a rod with no reel, i.e., a cane pole. Then the law changed so that you could still fish for free with a cane pole but only in your county of residence.

Back then I was working for the GFC and I spent time checking licenses and doing creel surveys for fish biologists. The vast majority of people fishing from the bank where fishing for food. While they might have been having fun, they were really trying to put food on the table. Yet, the state required these people to buy a license to cross the county line to fish for food. The license is not expense to me and most but it sure was expensive for people fishing for food.

As part of the creel survey, we asked how much money people had spent to go fishing that day. This information was used to show how much money was spent on fishing. I was shocked at how much money that people spent to go fishing. This cost was what they had spent that day, gas for truck and boat, if they bought a license that day it was included, food, drinks, rods, etc. Most people were spending $25-100 to go fishing. This did not include the cost of the truck and boat to go fishing. I can buy quite a bit of expensive fish for $25...

One day I talked to some guys in two boats from SC. These guys had driven all the way to the L69 canal in South FLA to fish for Oscars. Yes, Oscars that are in aquariums. These fish had gone wild and were all over the canals, were quite big, fun to catch and good eating. You could large areas of the canal just popping from the Oscars. One boat had about 50 Oscars and the other had around 75. I don't know how long they were going to fish but they certainly could have caught hundreds of fish in a couple of days. But the cost of gas to get to/from FLA from SC made for some expensive fish. :laughing: But these guys were at least catching fish which is more than many could say.

While I understand WHY the laws and regulations have been written, it has become expensive and complicated to hunt and fish today, especially if you have to use public lands.

Later,
Dan

 

[dave1949]

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$42 in Maine:
Combination Hunting and Fishing License: A combination hunting and fishing license permits persons 16 years of age or older to fish in inland waters and permits hunting of all legal big game and small game with a firearm, muzzleloader, or bow and arrow. An archery license is required to hunt during the archery and expanded archery seasons on deer, and during the fall turkey hunting season.

$200:
The Superpack license permits a person to hunt and fish for all legal game and fish species subject to all the laws covering these activities. The Superpack license includes fishing, hunting, archery, as well as muzzleload, migratory waterfowl, pheasant, spring/fall turkey, including additional spring turkey, bear, crossbow, coyote night hunt, three expanded archery antlerless deer permits (does not include the expanded archery antlered (buck) deer permit), one free chance in the moose lottery, and entry into a special category in the annual any-deer permit lottery.

$25:
Season Fishing License: A season fishing license is required for residents, nonresidents, and aliens 16 years of age or older to fish in the inland waters of Maine.
Note: A Maine resident under 16 years of age may fish without a fishing license.

I don't think people are being priced-out of hunting here. $42 buys year-round hunting and fishing.

 

[powerpace]

Re: we are a dyeing breed

>Ask yourself how the kids get the devices.
>Ask who turns on the TV to act as a babysitter.
>Ask who doesn't model expected behavior.

There are many more things to ask. The answer to all can be found in the mirror.

Yep.....