half ton chevy tow 9200lbs?

   / half ton chevy tow 9200lbs? #51  
Well you can see the safety police on TBN are out full force.

I agree you were risking your equipment, and probably should have stayed below 50, but if you drove very carefully you were probably safer than many of the other private drivers on the road towing equipment. I've seen a lot of single axle trailers loaded down greater than I'd load my 12k.
I've seen a big roll of hay roll off a stack of 3 in the back of an F150 JUST after I passed it.

How was traffic? When I drove to Fulton yesterday (about 16 miles) I faced about 3 oncoming cars and 1 came up behind. Without traffic your not much of a danger to others.

I'm surprised they haven't torn you apart because the lack of chains and strapping in your picture.
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I only see 1 strap.

Frightening how they walk among us.
 
   / half ton chevy tow 9200lbs? #52  
It isn't what you can tow. It's what you can stop. This was a huge risk to yourself but also to anyone else on that road.
 
   / half ton chevy tow 9200lbs? #53  
Well you can see the safety police on TBN are out full force.

I agree you were risking your equipment, and probably should have stayed below 50, but if you drove very carefully you were probably safer than many of the other private drivers on the road towing equipment. I've seen a lot of single axle trailers loaded down greater than I'd load my 12k.
I've seen a big roll of hay roll off a stack of 3 in the back of an F150 JUST after I passed it.

How was traffic? When I drove to Fulton yesterday (about 16 miles) I faced about 3 oncoming cars and 1 came up behind. Without traffic your not much of a danger to others.

It's not so much the safety police, as the stupidity danger to others police.

It's this sort of ridiculous rationalization that makes people think unsafe acts like this are okay. For one, he was actually closer to 3K pounds over weight on a 7K GVWR trailer. Most 7K trailers weigh about 1,800 pounds. Throw an 8K pound machine on it, and you're overloaded by a full 40%. Does that sound even remotely smart?

Further, the whole "go slow, drive carefully, and it'll be okay" is total hogwash. You can't control what the other idiot does, and if they do something stupid, like pull out in front of you, without looking, and you hit them, you're going to burn when the police figure out you were drastically overloaded...which might result in criminal charges, like the case I linked above.

How can I say that? Years ago I drove cement mixers, dump trucks, transfer trucks, etc...all summer jobs during high school (it was pre-CDL days) and college. One day I was rolling along right at the speed limit (35mph) in an empty mixer truck that weighed somewhere around 25,000lbs with an empty barrel. It was late morning, right before lunch, perfect weather, dry, level road, and nobody in front of me. As I approached a traffic light, there was opposing traffic waiting to turn at the light, and then an elderly man made a right on red through the intersection, pulling out in front of me…he never looked. I jumped on the brakes, hit the air horn, and moved over as close as I could to the opposing traffic…all to no avail. I got it slowed down pretty well before the impact, but the results were still horrible to look at. The car (brand new Cadillac) was nearly folded in half, and ripped open from the driver's side rear view mirror to the tail lights. Luckily both passengers survived...barely, by mere inches. If I had even a partial load in the barrel, they both would have certainly died because I wouldn't have been able to slow nearly as much as I did. Perfect conditions, barely loaded truck, fast reactions (I was 20 or so at the time) and a lot of luck were involved. I STILL got called in to face charges that I ran the light, but luckily I had several witnesses from the opposing lanes that testified I clearly had a green light (which they also had), and that I had done everything possible to avoid the accident. The investigators determined my speed was actually a bit under the speed limit (1-2mph), based upon the skid marks, but the "victims" still filed a complaint. I was lucky to have a family friend who was an attorney represent me, so all it cost me was a bottle of Johnny Walker Black, and the judge threw the case out almost immediately. If I had been doing anything wrong at all, I would have been SOL.

In short, you can try being as careful as possible, but when you start out doing something dumb, other people can get hurt because they don't know you're being an idiot. Seriously, what would a flatbed have cost for this trip, $100? It's called the cost of doing business, and being a responsible citizen.
 
   / half ton chevy tow 9200lbs? #54  
I only see 1 strap.

The strap concerns me. Hopefully the photo was taken before he was finished securing the load.

As for the weight, I'm personally more concerned about people driving while talking on the cell phone than a cautious driver taking that load at 50.

The max weight is approved for the max speed limit. I don't see how a barely-under-the-maximum load at the speed limit is much safer than that load at 50.

I grew up in an equipment rental yard, and I have seen FAR worse weight issues. Even if the truck and trailer were officially spec'd for the weight, poor weight distribution will send it into the ditch. We'd send equipment out with proper weight distribution, and stress to the customer how important it is. Some would still incorrectly load it for the return trip. We lost some good equipment that way.

Weight distribution looks good in the photo.

If we're going to treat the weight limits so sacredly, what about the speed limit? Has anyone here gone 1 mph over? Anyone have a radar detector? That's a device who's sole purpose is to allow its owner to habitually endanger everyone around him.

let he who is without sin...
 
   / half ton chevy tow 9200lbs? #55  
An interesting post of info about 1 tons not having any more towing capacity than a 3/4 ton. I think in actuality the F350 tows less since the GVW is the same but since the F350 weighs a bit more, the actual towing capacity is less. A guy I worked with years ago found that out when searching for a legal way to tow his 40 foot travel trailer. Also F250 trucks will have the same engine and transmission as a F150 maybe also the same if both are speced for towing. I would have to verify that of course but from looking at stickers on vehicles they don't show any difference in transmissions or engines (diesels excepted)

Thinking the new 3500 RAM would be an exception to that rule , come to think of it so is my 03 3500 Dodge , I don't believe the 2500 is rated for a GCWR of 21-23 k like the 3500s SRW and DRW are? I may have to confirm that . Maybe Ford rates a little different than Dodge??
 
   / half ton chevy tow 9200lbs?
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#56  
Frightening how they walk among us.


no traffic at 10 in the morning around these parts haha. everyones at work. I go into work when they all get off. I figured if it wanted to go it would have went but I do a lot of hauling in a 1 ton at work. its not my first rodeo but I really don't want to move it with that truck again. just a little to much for it.
 
   / half ton chevy tow 9200lbs? #57  
As for the weight, I'm personally more concerned about people driving while talking on the cell phone than a cautious driver taking that load at 50.

The max weight is approved for the max speed limit. I don't see how a barely-under-the-maximum load at the speed limit is much safer than that load at 50.

Being concerned about distracted drivers has nothing to do with the OP doing something unsafe. Just because other people are doing something unsafe doesn't mean it's okay for someone to decide "what the heck, I'll break the law, and do something dangerous anyway". In fact, distracted drivers make it even worse for the OP to be pulling a trailer so severely overloaded….those are the idiots that pull in front of you and cause an accident you can't avoid because your rig isn't capable of stopping the excess weight.

Weight limits aren't set based upon the maximum weight at the maximum speed….it doesn't work that way. Roads with a limitation of 35mph can have sharper corners, limited sight distances, etc, when compared with a road that has a limit of 55mph. The stopping requirements can equal out because one offers less warning than the other.

If we're going to treat the weight limits so sacredly, what about the speed limit? Has anyone here gone 1 mph over?

Who's talking about going slightly over the limit? The OP was like 40% over the limit. For the comparison to work, you'd have to ask who's driven 98mph in a 70 zone, and then ask whether that was smart/reasonable.
 
   / half ton chevy tow 9200lbs?
  • Thread Starter
#58  
It's not so much the safety police, as the stupidity danger to others police.

It's this sort of ridiculous rationalization that makes people think unsafe acts like this are okay. For one, he was actually closer to 3K pounds over weight on a 7K GVWR trailer. Most 7K trailers weigh about 1,800 pounds. Throw an 8K pound machine on it, and you're overloaded by a full 40%. Does that sound even remotely smart?

Further, the whole "go slow, drive carefully, and it'll be okay" is total hogwash. You can't control what the other idiot does, and if they do something stupid, like pull out in front of you, without looking, and you hit them, you're going to burn when the police figure out you were drastically overloaded...which might result in criminal charges, like the case I linked above.

How can I say that? Years ago I drove cement mixers, dump trucks, transfer trucks, etc...all summer jobs during high school (it was pre-CDL days) and college. One day I was rolling along right at the speed limit (35mph) in an empty mixer truck that weighed somewhere around 25,000lbs with an empty barrel. It was late morning, right before lunch, perfect weather, dry, level road, and nobody in front of me. As I approached a traffic light, there was opposing traffic waiting to turn at the light, and then an elderly man made a right on red through the intersection, pulling out in front of me…he never looked. I jumped on the brakes, hit the air horn, and moved over as close as I could to the opposing traffic…all to no avail. I got it slowed down pretty well before the impact, but the results were still horrible to look at. The car (brand new Cadillac) was nearly folded in half, and ripped open from the driver's side rear view mirror to the tail lights. Luckily both passengers survived...barely, by mere inches. If I had even a partial load in the barrel, they both would have certainly died because I wouldn't have been able to slow nearly as much as I did. Perfect conditions, barely loaded truck, fast reactions (I was 20 or so at the time) and a lot of luck were involved. I STILL got called in to face charges that I ran the light, but luckily I had several witnesses from the opposing lanes that testified I clearly had a green light (which they also had), and that I had done everything possible to avoid the accident. The investigators determined my speed was actually a bit under the speed limit (1-2mph), based upon the skid marks, but the "victims" still filed a complaint. I was lucky to have a family friend who was an attorney represent me, so all it cost me was a bottle of Johnny Walker Black, and the judge threw the case out almost immediately. If I had been doing anything wrong at all, I would have been SOL.

In short, you can try being as careful as possible, but when you start out doing something dumb, other people can get hurt because they don't know you're being an idiot. Seriously, what would a flatbed have cost for this trip, $100? It's called the cost of doing business, and being a responsible citizen.

yeah your right man I understand what your getting at! what I did was a one time haul. im not moving it again like that.
 
   / half ton chevy tow 9200lbs? #59  
tylertown,
Looks like a nice excavator and curious about what you are using it for? Do you have a loader tractor to use with it?

Wondering if Tylertown is still heavy into dairy farms today, as I remember when I lived in Summit in the 1970"s there were lots of them in the area.
 
   / half ton chevy tow 9200lbs? #60  
Lots of responce to this... I gave my advice earlier and I will leave it at that.

However... one thing we all are not takeing into consideration is that we all do something like this at some point or another. We do these things based on our needs and circumstances at the time. Sometimes we are under pressures from other things in our lives that make us calculate the risk we are willing to take. Sometimes part of that process is asking others for advice and still going against that advice and getting away with it. If we are lucky a lesson is learned without damage to people or property and we do things better next time.

Under pressure from time, money, friends and family, I have done things like this... but as safely as possible in that incorrect manner. Haul an over loaded truck and trailer down an 18% one mile cindered asphalt grade? Yup that was me... but with the 4x4 locked in, and in the lowest gear possible, at a time of day when the traffic was lowest, in CB contact with people at the bottom of the hill. And no trailer brakes. Talk about sweatin bullets. But doing dumb things in as smart a manner as possible doesn't make it right and I have upgraded my equipment to make similar trips in a safer manner.

Just be thankful nothing happened and learn from this experiance...
 

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