F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost

[RedNeckRacin]

Engine braking is an advantage. Empty mileage is a disadvantage. I'll take the better empty mileage and buy a set of $25 brake pads every 100,000 miles over engine braking but that is just me.



Exactly! Volumetric efficiency and flat torque curves too.

I'm not arguing that power adders are bad; Today's trucks would not be nearly as capable without them! I think you guys are taking what I'm saying in the wrong direction. There is no way a naturally aspirated 15L Cat would make 625HP and over 2Kftlbs of torque without a turbo or a myriad of other technological advances.


I'm saying that a larger engine loafing along will easily outlast a smaller engine working hard regardless of power adders. HP and TQ are very easy to quote and compare, and everyone likes to drag race trucks with loads. It's not about how fast you get somewhere, it's how safely can you do it within your budget. I would never tow a full size backhoe with a pickup; that's just asking for problems to do it on a regular basis but the trucks are rated to tow just that now a days. Using something to the limits of its capability is fine, but there isn't a pickup built to do it on a daily basis that isn't going to eat parts. You might get away with it for a period of time but its sure going to fail a lot sooner than a properly spec'd truck towing within its capacities.

Be careful about sticking your foot in your mouth about empty mileage. My 2012 3/4 ton work truck with a 5.7L Hemi gets right around 12-14 mpg empty (I never tow with it) and my International with a DT530E (8.5L roughly) gets 13 mpg unloaded (and it weighs about 11K lbs). Parts are more expensive but they last A LOT longer on the International too. I had a 5.9 CR Cummins that got the snot worked out of it to not even do the work that this International does with ease. So don't preach to me about smaller displacement with some technology being light years ahead. The extra cubic inches also engine brake very well and I rarely use the brakes when I come down a hill loaded.

I realize that it is an oranges to apples to pears comparison but it's all I have first-hand experience with.

To the OP, I apologize for the thread jacking. I think that a 3/4t truck is much more capable. If your completely comfortable panic stopping your loaded trailer when a family with young kids pulls out in front of you, by all means buy the 1/2t. I'm sure that EB will help stop things quickly when it really matters. I'm sure that EB will also help to stabilize things on a windy day or when inclement weather conditions present them self. I'm also pretty sure that you will never want to get a bigger tractor, or want to haul a load of firewood or other misc. items to save making two trips. Best thing you can do would be to test drive each of them with your anticipated load behind you. That will tell you all you need to know.

 

[jejeosborne]

I'm not arguing that power adders are bad; Today's trucks would not be nearly as capable without them! I think you guys are taking what I'm saying in the wrong direction. There is no way a naturally aspirated 15L Cat would make 625HP and over 2Kftlbs of torque without a turbo or a myriad of other technological advances.

I'm saying that a larger engine loafing along will easily outlast a smaller engine working hard regardless of power adders. HP and TQ are very easy to quote and compare, and everyone likes to drag race trucks with loads. It's not about how fast you get somewhere, it's how safely can you do it within your budget. I would never tow a full size backhoe with a pickup; that's just asking for problems to do it on a regular basis but the trucks are rated to tow just that now a days. Using something to the limits of its capability is fine, but there isn't a pickup built to do it on a daily basis that isn't going to eat parts. You might get away with it for a period of time but its sure going to fail a lot sooner than a properly spec'd truck towing within its capacities.

Be careful about sticking your foot in your mouth about empty mileage. My 2012 3/4 ton work truck with a 5.7L Hemi gets right around 12-14 mpg empty (I never tow with it) and my International with a DT530E (8.5L roughly) gets 13 mpg unloaded (and it weighs about 11K lbs). Parts are more expensive but they last A LOT longer on the International too. I had a 5.9 CR Cummins that got the snot worked out of it to not even do the work that this International does with ease. So don't preach to me about smaller displacement with some technology being light years ahead. The extra cubic inches also engine brake very well and I rarely use the brakes when I come down a hill loaded.

I realize that it is an oranges to apples to pears comparison but it's all I have first-hand experience with.

To the OP, I apologize for the thread jacking. I think that a 3/4t truck is much more capable. If your completely comfortable panic stopping your loaded trailer when a family with young kids pulls out in front of you, by all means buy the 1/2t. I'm sure that EB will help stop things quickly when it really matters. I'm sure that EB will also help to stabilize things on a windy day or when inclement weather conditions present them self. I'm also pretty sure that you will never want to get a bigger tractor, or want to haul a load of firewood or other misc. items to save making two trips. Best thing you can do would be to test drive each of them with your anticipated load behind you. That will tell you all you need to know.

Yes you are comparing completely incomparable items. Different classes, diesel vs gas. My beef is strictly with your comment about there being no replacement for displacement.

The point is that as long as the smaller displacement engine with "power adders" is engineered and built using components to take the added stress, then longevity is not an issue. In your example of the big rig trucks and any industrial engine with a turbo, they are obviously built to last even though they are replacing an engine that would be much larger naturally aspirated.

For some reason people think the ecoboost is being stressed out and overworked but it is built to handle the additional stress and probably does more "loafing" than the 6.2 liter does.

I do agree with the you on getting the proper class truck for the job needed and not ride the line of limits unless it is a very rare requirement below 30 mph.

 

[cowski]

a 2000 diesel f250 is only rated for 10000 lbs with a bumper trailer. i would get the new 150.one thing the eb cooler hangs down real low.it could get bent under serious 4x4 trips.

 

[vrmnthntr]

With stronger frames in trucks now towing capacities have definitely improved.

 

[deere5105]

Interesting responses along the way. Some received separate from this site. Some received were F150 best for daily use and F250 best for heavy hauling, F150 easier to maneuver due to size, found in Super Crew short bed configuration the F250 is comparable in width and about 12" longer. The interior dimensions were very similar and was a little surprised at the exterior comparison. Was not nearly as big a difference as I suspected. If purchasing new, is not much difference in price. Seems the older 3/4 ton capacities are being met today by the current 1/2 tons, for the most part.

 

[Soundguy]

i still drive a 1 ton as a daily fdriver..a dn don't have to worry about what will change when hauling..

 

[CJONE]

Interesting responses along the way. Some received separate from this site. Some received were F150 best for daily use and F250 best for heavy hauling, F150 easier to maneuver due to size, found in Super Crew short bed configuration the F250 is comparable in width and about 12" longer. The interior dimensions were very similar and was a little surprised at the exterior comparison. Was not nearly as big a difference as I suspected. If purchasing new, is not much difference in price. Seems the older 3/4 ton capacities are being met today by the current 1/2 tons, for the most part.

I really find no difference in the f-150 and the 250 as far as size and I agree most 1/2 tons have stepped up their game as far as towing and handling weight. From about 06 and up we don't have to add heavier springs anymore for our 1/2 tons to handle a load. I always said I would not own a 1/2 ton but now I have changed my mind with these newer trucks. For the majority of what I do the 1/2 ton works well. I still need the 3/4 ton on occasion but when I buy a new truck it will be another 1/2 ton for my daily driver. Now I just have to decide between the Ecoboost or the 5.0. CJ

 

[jejeosborne]

Now I just have to decide between the Ecoboost or the 5.0. CJ

Only two reasons to get the ecoboost over the 5.0. NEED or ENJOY the power equivalent of the 6.2 liter engine with mileage of 5.0. If you don't tow 7000 lbs or more and haven't had your foot to the floor in recent history get the 5.0 and have possibly less future maintenance cost.

 

[deere5105]

Been looking for some long term reports of reliability on Ecoboost. Only thing local I have found was report of one with little over 100,000 miles and no problems whatsoever to date.

 

[amigauser]

Been looking for some long term reports of reliability on Ecoboost. Only thing local I have found was report of one with little over 100,000 miles and no problems whatsoever to date.

Probably have better luck here - Most miles on Ecoboost? - F150online Forums
or on the TBN sister site - Ford