Comparison Yanamar LX4900 HST vs Kioti Dk45se HST

[hnicols]

You have all helped me a lot on my prior post, keeping me from comparing some apples and oranges. I have better focused on two comparable tractors. Like them both. Now I need some help on pricing and feature value between the two. Sorry for the long post but wanted to provide the info so you don't have to look for it. I know the format is a bit off -- just remember Yanmar comes first and then Kioti.

Appears the Yanmar will be about 2k less than Kioti which will come in at about $34,500. Specs seem close to a match to me (one better on some and vice versa). See below. Kioti has the 4 additional features noted at bottom though I do not know their real importance (PTO float will self adjust if you start to over dig with a grader for example, loader level indicator seems like a nice feature but I am new to tractoring so what do I know (and I did not see anything in the after market that anyone sells, although could make my own if I buy Yanmar), the sight ball gives you a heads up if your losing fluid in the front axle, and the choice between manual and auto PTO shut offf gives you a choice as to whether you shut off l when you lift the PTO. Yanmar is Turbo so likely better fuel economy and seems a bit quieter but do not know if turbo is good or bad for repairs etc.

So what do you think? Is Kioti price for tbl at about 34,500 fair? Which tractor would you all recommend and why? I like the four added features of the Kioti but not sure what they are worth practically. And $2000 in difference on price could really matter to me. Yanmar is still prettier and I like the joy stick better. But both look like great tractors; both have good dealers; Yanmar about 45 minutes closer. Thanks again!


Yanmar / Kioti



Gross HP 48.5 / 45
PTO HP 35 / 36
Turbo yes / no


3pt lift at 24" 2790 / 2493

wheelbase 74.8 / 74
width 69.5 / 63.9
hydro pump capacity 15.2 / 16.8
weight w/rops 3618 / 3924

loader
max lift height to pivot 113 / 107.8
breakout at pivot 3810 / 3727
lift capacity pivot pin 2493 / 2761

backhoe
dig depth 2ft flat bttm 102 / 94.4
reach from cntr line swing 136 / 136.1
loading height at 60degree 87 / 80.3
weight less bucket 1350 / 1102
dipstick digging force 2435 / 2205
bucket digging force 3730 / 3748

pto float n / y
bucket level indicator n / y
tranny sight ball n / y
auto/manual pto shut off n / y

 

[GManBart]

$34,500 for the DK with FEL and BH seems a bit high to me. I'd expect more like $31K or so....$25K for the tractor with FEL, and another $8 for the BH.

Does the Yanmar come with any rear remotes standard? The Kioti has one standard, but 2 is really handy....figure ballpark $1K per remote added. I know the Yanmar doesn't have cruise control standard (Kioti does), but that isn't a huge issue for a lot of people.

Yanmar makes outstanding engines, but I don't want a turbo unless it's absolutely necessary (talking tractors, not sports cars). They will eventually cost you money to fix, it's just a matter of when, and they ultimately cause more wear on other parts because they raise pressures, and temperatures (cylinder head temps, etc). Granted, the engines are built with that in mind, but there is no free lunch, and eventually it will lead to an expensive repair for somebody.

Oh, one other thing....the 3pt control on the back of the Kioti is a huge help when hooking up implements. That alone almost had me buying a DK45SE Hydro.

 

[DK35vince]

Backhoes seem to be running around $1000 per digging foot.
So I am guessing these backhoes will add in the $8- 8500 area.

 

[murphy1244]

Does the Yanmar have adjustable stabilizers and Links? Remote 3 point control.?

 

[DK35vince]

I think you now have it narrowed down to your personal preference between machines.
Both nice machines with very close specs.

As far as a turbo on a diesel engine. That would not sway me away any.
I have been running and/or working around turbo diesel engines nearly every day for 20-30 years.
Very reliable. We very rarely see a turbo failure. Turbo diesels, from my experience last every bit as long as the non turbos do.

 

[GManBart]

Backhoes seem to be running around $1000 per digging foot.
So I am guessing these backhoes will add in the $8- 8500 area.

You're right, I was thinking of the smaller hoes....edited my reply.

 

[engine29]

While Yanmar is known for it's engines and for building Deere's compacts for years, I question their longevity and strength on their own. They have never really excelled by themselves in the US and the Yanmar/Cub thing didn't last a real long time. As far as coming back again, I would wonder how strong they will be and how strong their dealer network will be.
Kioti is presently enjoying a lot of growth in the US and they do offer a very good tractor, especially the DK series. Even for the extra money, I would go w/ the Kioti. They will be around for the long term.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

I don't know anything about the Yanmar, so I won't give you a recommendation. But I will say a few things.

First, I have the Kioti DK50SE HST Cab and I'm very happy with it.

Secondly, the auto/manual PTO is useless to me. I suppose there might be some legitimate uses for it. But the last thing I want is the PTO shutting off automatically and then automatically re-engaging when my motor is spinning at over 2,000 RPM. Seems like a good way to thrash a PTO.

The rear 3 point lift lever on the Kioti is very handy.

The bucket level indicator is handy. If you get the Kioti, you will want to loctite the tube threads on the housing that the indicator rod runs through. Do that before using your tractor. They seem to be assembled only finger tight and will come unscrewed and pretzel up.

 

[hnicols]

Does the Yanmar have adjustable stabilizers and Links? Remote 3 point control.?

the 3 point hitch has position control at the seat and telescoping arms.

 

[hnicols]

$34,500 for the DK with FEL and BH seems a bit high to me. I'd expect more like $31K or so....$25K for the tractor with FEL, and another $8 for the BH.

Does the Yanmar come with any rear remotes standard? The Kioti has one standard, but 2 is really handy....figure ballpark $1K per remote added. .

Help me, I am a newbee..what do I use two for? Seems I have one installed for the backhoe, will be adding a line to the loader so i can use a grapple. but why else two?