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[GManBart]

Geez I am starting to regret even asking about this on here.
People I talked to said to get something with 30 pto hp for what I wanted, it takes around a 40hp hst tractor to get around 30 pto hp so that is why I started looking at the dk40 and the salesman told me about the nx45. I did look at the ck35 but I didn't like the hst pedal with the brake pedal right above it. So what tractor with a cab would you recommend to run a brush mower, decent size rear snowblower, and something to work the acre field I have so I can plant something in there?

Yeah, sites like this can have you running in circles with all the possibilities. Unfortunately, it's hard for people to remotely figure out what is too small/large for your intended uses. Boil it down to the basics, and you're talking about tasks, not land size. You want to run a snow thrower big enough to clear your driveway quickly, want a cab to be comfortable, and want a big enough cab to be comfortable. Those are going to set your minimum size requirements for you, and I don't think you're too far off looking at something like an NX4510, which really isn't a huge machine. What you don't want is to spend a bunch of money, and then get ticked off every time you use it because it's not comfortable, or you wish you could have gone a foot wider with the snow thrower, etc, etc.

If nothing else, having the machine on the larger side for the tasks will make it last longer, and do those tasks quicker, so you can spend time doing other things. If you ever decide to sell it, the most popular size tractors seem to be around the 40hp range, so it should be easier to sell, and get a good price for.

 

[kptractor6]

New to the forum. Im looking at a massey fergusen 1125. It has 4wd, fel, rop, box scraper with rippers. He's asking 5k and it appears to be in good shape. This will be my first tractor. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks

 

[Malibu 496]

I have a couple more questions. Are there any other attachments besides a mid mount mower that use a mid pto? I see that is an option on some tractors. Also I see they list the pump flow on the specs page, does this number really mean anything like is more flow better?
Thanks

 

[dave1949]

New to the forum. Im looking at a massey fergusen 1125. It has 4wd, fel, rop, box scraper with rippers. He's asking 5k and it appears to be in good shape. This will be my first tractor. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks

Hi and welcome to the forum. If you go to the link below and click on + Post New Thread near the upper left screen area, that would be the place to ask your question.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/massey-ferguson-buying-pricing/

 

[boggen]

the only time i have seen anything else besides a mid mount mower (belly mower), is on a custom implement setup.
though, there are some 3rd party manufacture stuff, example a boom mower that mounts to side of tractor, you might have seen one on some sort of tractor going down the roads mowing very steep / difficult to mow areas were a normal tractor would not be able drive on.
some folks have used mid pto, to run rear hyd (hydraulic) remotes, vs running off the "power beyond port" on the FEL (front end loader) levers / joystick.

an example, i have a TLB (tractor loader backhoe) hyd fluid runs from...
pump -> joystick for FEL -> backhoe -> back to pump.
if i operate the fel same time i am operating backhoe (moving joysticks / levers) the FEL will get first dibs on the hyd flow of fluid. and then the backhoe will get what ever is left over.

another example....
FEL mounted snow blower (out in front) generic tractor.
pump -> joystick for FEL -> 3rd function joystick to snow blower -> back to pump.
i raise FEL.. snow blower auger begins to slow as the FEL raises.
FEL is already in a high position -> i lower FEL rather fast -> snow blower auger picks up speed momentarily.

lets switch above example some....
FEL mounted snow blower (out in front) generic tractor.
pump -> joystick for FEL -> back to pump
mid mount pump -> snow blower -> back to mid mount pump.
i raise FEL... snow blower keeps same RPM's nothing changes
i lower FEL... snow blower keeps same RPM's nothing changes

on some tractors...the 3pt hitch and FEL and rear hyd remotes, and mid mount all are on the exact same hydraulic pump. other times they can be split into separated units with there own little hyd pump.
on smaller tractors you are more likely to see everything using a single hyd pump, while larger tractors you may see multi hyd pumps going to individual things.

there is a catch 22 though. all the hyd pumps are connected to the engine some how, through shafts or gears or what not. so the force is still being transferred through the overall tractor, hyd pumps, etc... and to an average user, i doubt a person could be able to tell. or less they really kept getting into a given situation. HOT RODS / ram rods, pedal to the metal and no looking back, just keep on going, regardless of what happens. is what this might remind more of. granted there has been times for myself i wish a little different style setup and a couple hyd pumps to hook things up to... but those are far and few compared to everything else.

 

[dave1949]

I have a couple more questions. Are there any other attachments besides a mid mount mower that use a mid pto? I see that is an option on some tractors. Also I see they list the pump flow on the specs page, does this number really mean anything like is more flow better?
Thanks

A front mounted snowblower often uses a mid-pto option.
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In general, higher hydraulic pump rates in gallons per minute (gpm) is better. As tractors go up in size and loader/3pt capability, the hydraulic gpm increases. Assuming constant hydraulic pressure, larger hydraulic cylinders (more piston area = more force) need more flow to move at an acceptable speed.

Most tractor specs show a total gpm, then a breakdown of that to power steering and implement rates.

 

[bigcut]

the only time i have seen anything else besides a mid mount mower (belly mower), is on a custom implement setup.
though, there are some 3rd party manufacture stuff, example a boom mower that mounts to side of tractor, you might have seen one on some sort of tractor going down the roads mowing very steep / difficult to mow areas were a normal tractor would not be able drive on.
some folks have used mid pto, to run rear hyd (hydraulic) remotes, vs running off the "power beyond port" on the FEL (front end loader) levers / joystick.

an example, i have a TLB (tractor loader backhoe) hyd fluid runs from...
pump -> joystick for FEL -> backhoe -> back to pump.
if i operate the fel same time i am operating backhoe (moving joysticks / levers) the FEL will get first dibs on the hyd flow of fluid. and then the backhoe will get what ever is left over.

another example....
FEL mounted snow blower (out in front) generic tractor.
pump -> joystick for FEL -> 3rd function joystick to snow blower -> back to pump.
i raise FEL.. snow blower auger begins to slow as the FEL raises.
FEL is already in a high position -> i lower FEL rather fast -> snow blower auger picks up speed momentarily.

lets switch above example some....
FEL mounted snow blower (out in front) generic tractor.
pump -> joystick for FEL -> back to pump
mid mount pump -> snow blower -> back to mid mount pump.
i raise FEL... snow blower keeps same RPM's nothing changes
i lower FEL... snow blower keeps same RPM's nothing changes

on some tractors...the 3pt hitch and FEL and rear hyd remotes, and mid mount all are on the exact same hydraulic pump. other times they can be split into separated units with there own little hyd pump.
on smaller tractors you are more likely to see everything using a single hyd pump, while larger tractors you may see multi hyd pumps going to individual things.

there is a catch 22 though. all the hyd pumps are connected to the engine some how, through shafts or gears or what not. so the force is still being transferred through the overall tractor, hyd pumps, etc... and to an average user, i doubt a person could be able to tell. or less they really kept getting into a given situation. HOT RODS / ram rods, pedal to the metal and no looking back, just keep on going, regardless of what happens. is what this might remind more of. granted there has been times for myself i wish a little different style setup and a couple hyd pumps to hook things up to... but those are far and few compared to everything else.

Ryan,
Thanks for explaining that so well....I was wondering myself just how all that worked. Liked your examples.
John

 

[Malibu 496]

Thanks for the info.
I was calling dealers today to see if they had any cab tractors in stock, besides the nx4510 and that Mahindra 5010, nobody had anything and they didn't think they would be able to find any. the John deere dealer has a 3046r, and said they could get the 3033r or 3039r but it would take awhile. So I might just be waiting and try to see if I can find a used one that I like.
I talked to the new Holland dealer by me they cant get any and he said the price for a boomer 3040 with cab and loader was in the upper 40k, that seems pretty high for a 40hp compact tractor.

 

[dave1949]

Thanks for the info.
I was calling dealers today to see if they had any cab tractors in stock, besides the nx4510 and that Mahindra 5010, nobody had anything and they didn't think they would be able to find any. the John deere dealer has a 3046r, and said they could get the 3033r or 3039r but it would take awhile. So I might just be waiting and try to see if I can find a used one that I like.
I talked to the new Holland dealer by me they cant get any and he said the price for a boomer 3040 with cab and loader was in the upper 40k, that seems pretty high for a 40hp compact tractor.

Yep. It's amazing how quickly a $20K basic model can become a $40K tractor with options.

I've not kept up recently but I think LS makes the NH Boomer series now. Guys here say an LS can be bought for much less than the NH--same tractor. You could check that out if you have an LS dealer around. Sounds like you may have to broaden your search area.

If product is low in your region, maybe consider buying from dealers who ship. Barlow's in Kentucky is one that people here speak highly of and have not had issues that I'm aware of.

 

[Malibu 496]

the nearest ls dealer is 80 miles from me. If ls makes the boomer why doesn't ls offer the cvt trans like new Holland does? That is probably why the new Holland is so expensive, the case 40b is the same as the new Holland boomer 3040 also.