Cletusdeere
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I'm wondering why you can't use down pressure with top and tilt? My dealer said no go with top and tilt.
4052R down pressure
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kennyd
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It's a no-go even without the TnT, your 3PH (three point hitch) does not have any down pressure, except for the weight of whats attached to it.
OP
Cletusdeere
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Yes it's a new option on the new 40xx series.
kennyd
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Interesting, I see no reference to that in the online brochures or the build-your-own website.
OP
Cletusdeere
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here is the build your picture, it's in the brochure also. 450# of downforce.
kennyd
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Thank you Cletus, I totally missed it in both places.
OP
Cletusdeere
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Yes it was not up on the configure site till lately. But it's been in the brochure the whole time of the 4e/r , my salesman had a hard time finding it also.
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It will make no difference to the top & tilt cylinders if there is down pressure applied through the hitch. So yes get top & tilt for your tractor. If you want an equal amount of tilt to each side with the tilt cylinder, don't get the JD system, their tilt cylinders are pretty much built to have the implement level when fully retracted.
Many people have asked me to provide 2 tilt cylinders with the idea that they could have the hitch fully raised and then extend the side links to apply down pressure. While that can be done, without actually knowing how all of the internal parts are built, not a good idea simply because most 3pts are not built to apply down pressure.
As far as the new 4000 series JDs, no reason to not get top & tilt.
Just as an add on, using down force on the 3pt increases the load put on the front drive train.
Many people have asked me to provide 2 tilt cylinders with the idea that they could have the hitch fully raised and then extend the side links to apply down pressure. While that can be done, without actually knowing how all of the internal parts are built, not a good idea simply because most 3pts are not built to apply down pressure.
As far as the new 4000 series JDs, no reason to not get top & tilt.
Just as an add on, using down force on the 3pt increases the load put on the front drive train.
OP
Cletusdeere
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I think their down force kit is independent of the top and tilt. It bolts to a frame that is biked to the lower side by the draft links and the upper 3 point arms. Yes a switch like on off. I guess not enough hydraulic power to run everything??