Tractor Sizing Need advice on the size of tractor to look for

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I am looking for a tractor to clear about 1.5 acres of trees and brush. How much HP should I be looking for. I need to take down trees and clear the land for planting so I need to get the trees and roots out of the way first. The pics below are an example of what needs to be cleared out. (taken with my camera phone sorry about the blur).


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   / Need advice on the size of tractor to look for #2  
Pics didnt work. Maybe rent a excavator for a weekend and then by a tractor for the other projects.
 
   / Need advice on the size of tractor to look for #3  
Welcome to TBN.

I kind of second the suggestion of renting some heavier equipment to do the major work, then get something of normal size to do the maintenance.

When we bought our place, I found an old, used IH2500b, which was a 50pto hp tractor loader (think dedicated font end loader with a 3pt hitch). I used it to cut in a road from the hughway and to brush hog between our tree-farm trees until they got too big to drive between the rows. Then we bought a much smaller unit capable of maintaining the trails, mowing our lawn, plowing our driveway and hauling firewood out of the woods, and sold the larger tractor. Worked out great for us. However, one note of caution... if you buy used equipment, then beat it for a few years, you may not get much resale out of it. Also, used equipment comes with its own set of problems, and old used equipment comes with even more issues when it comes times to find reasonably priced parts and someone with the knowledge to repair/maintain it. That's why I like renting.

Figure out what tasks you need to do now, and in the future. Look at machines that are sized to do the tasks. Look at your budget and see if you can afford a machine big enough to do the tasks. Then see if it makes sense to own such a machine, or if it makes sense to rent such a machine, take a week or two off of work, and get your full money's worth out of the rental.

I read somewhere that the average homeowner only puts about 50 hrs per year on their tractor. Purchasing a $20,000 dollar machine will take a lot of hours to pay off VS renting a machine for $1000 per week.

Good luck with your search and projects. :thumbsup:
 
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While I agree generally with the idea that renting a larger piece of equipment to clear land is a good idea, the problem is that you need to know how to use such a piece of equipment and be comfortable doing so. There isn't much time for a learning curve if you have an expensive mini excavator sitting in your driveway costing you $200/day. Not only do you need to know how to operate the equipment efficiently, but you also need to know exactly what it can be expected to do and to have a strategy to get the work done within the allotted time.

I have gained a lot of experience over the past ten years clearing land with a compact utility tractor. If I'd had that experience before I started, I could have done in a week or so with a mini excavator what took me months with a small CUT. However, if I hadn't done the work with the CUT, I wouldn't have known what to do with the excavator to efficiently clear land. Chicken and Egg problem. Also, if you rent a big machine for a week, you really have to work the whole week to make it pay. If you intended to work just weekends or in shorter bits of time, renting big equipment is more difficult and expensive.

You have only 1.5 acres of land to clear and maintain. That is a big plus as you can manage that size plot with even the smallest CUT (maybe even a sub compact). There may well be a few large trees/stumps that you could not easily handle with a small tractor (I'm talking less than 30 hp) and front end loader but that size tractor is more than enough to maintain 1.5 acres once it is fully cleared. While a larger tractor would allow you to push over fairly large trees, you might need to cut them down and slowly dig out the stump with a small tractor. It can be done however even with a small tractor. I'd suggest, as an alternative to renting an excavator, buying the basic type of tractor you will eventually need to maintain the land. Anything in the 20-30hp range with a front end loader and a few attachments can clear the type of brush in the provided photos. I did similar work with a 20hp Kioti CK20 with a small backhoe attachment and front end loader. A grapple and bush hog helped immensely. Would I do it again with that size equipment? No, or at least not necessarily. Because I now have the experience to know that bumping up to 40hp gets about four times as much work done in a day. However, I am quite sure you can clear that land with a 20-25hp tractor if you take your time and that is the correct size tractor for land maintenance of a 1.5 acre plot. A 40hp machine would be stupid once the land was cleared.

If I was on a tight budget (who isn't?), I'd buy a used Kubota BX 24 or 25 which is a subcompact tractor/loader/backhoe. It would take longer but you can do the work with that size machine. The other benefit is that you can buy those used in very good condition for $12,000-14,000, use it for two years and sell it for almost the same. At that point you would have cleared the land and have a very good idea of what size tractor you wanted to maintain it (maybe a BX24/25). Other machines to look at would be the Kioti CK line, the Mahindras, MF, Kubota, NH and JD. You will find more used Kubotas than anything else in the sub 30hp size range but be aware that the Kioti and Mahindras are generally equipped with stronger loaders in that size tractor and you will depend a lot on the power of your loader when clearing brush.

To get back to the "rent big vs buy small" question, if you have experience with clearing land and you have a week to dedicate to the task, I certainly agree that renting big makes sense. However, if you don't have experience and/or don't have a full week to devote to the project, it might make a lot more sense to buy small and take your time clearing the plot. Either strategy works.
 
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I rented a mini-excavator for a weekend rate of $265.00. It was pretty darn easy to operate. I put in a 24' x 32' garage foundation 38" deep x 2' wide (all sand, so easy digging) and knocked down a bunch of small brush in 4 hours. I ran out of things to do and returned it a day and a half early. I was surprised how much work I could do with that little machine. I honestly thought it would take two days.

If I rented again, I'd get the largest compact excavator I could rent and still maneuver through the woods. I'd also get one with a thumb. I think I could pluck the OPs lot of those small trees in 2-3 days, tops, then spend 2-3 days doing any grading, site-work, road prep, etc... until the rental time ran out. Those little excavators are extremely useful and easy to operate. Just don't get one that's too small for the task.
 
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What are you going to do with the land once it's cleared? For normal homeowner work on something that small, a SCUt is fine, but it won't clear that. In that case, rent a mini excavator or bulldozer. If you are going to farm, you need something bigger that could do the clearing work. Then you are better off buying now and using the tractor for everything.
 
   / Need advice on the size of tractor to look for #7  
A bulldozer is a great tool but they generally leave a big mess.

I would contact residential tree services who are generally in tune with NOT producing a mess on the ground they work on. A tree service will know where to rent most efficient equipment for the job, if anything more than the pretty standard 8,000 pound skid steer is necessary. 1-1/2 acres is a median size job for a residential tree service.
 
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#8  
1. I have more time than money
2. I am not planning on buying new
3. I would personally rather buy than rent.

The plot is actually 2 acres but .5 acre is already cleared of and has a very small 24*28 house on it.
By buying you always have an asset and you are not confined to getting everything done at once. I agree on buying, and selling after the job is finished. Being new to these things after 50 years I might take some time to get up to speed, but Youtube helps a lot. I am not in a big rush, I would like to have it cleared out by the middle of August though so I have a good 8 months to get the job done.

I have an 'opportunity' to get a case 580B for $3000 and it needs about $1800 work in parts & labor. Is that big enough? LOL!!! I Just don't know if I want to get involved in a machine with a known issue and who knows what else may come up, even though I do want to build a house with a basement in a couple of years.

The property is narrow front to back 160ft*560ft approx. The drive way was determined by the path of least resistance. It is straight but not far enough to the side of the property so I will have to reroute that. But that again is not the biggest priority, probably the second priority after clearing the property. So I understand the place for BIG equipment. For a say 30HP approx tractor how does weight and size of the rear wheels fit into that equation? It seems to me that the bigger the wheels, 'and weight' the better the traction. But is there a trade off?
 
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A bulldozer is a great tool but they generally leave a big mess. I would contact residential tree services who are generally in tune with NOT producing a mess on the ground they work on. A tree service will know where to rent most efficient equipment for the job, if anything more than the pretty standard 8,000 pound skid steer is necessary. 1-1/2 acres is a median size job for a residential tree service.

Anyone have an idea what a tree service would charge to clear 1.5 acres of land as shown in the OP's photos? I'm guessing it would cost at least about half of what a good used CUT would cost (?$6000-9000). Of course it would be a turn key solution but I'd imagine that most folks coming to TBN are more likely to roll up their sleeves rather than cut a check to have someone else do the job.
 
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I had numerous heart-in-mouth moments learning to operate a tractor. Clearing 1-1/2 acres of woods is not an entry level task. I still favor having it cleared by professionals then the OP can go from there. Plenty of work left.

It only takes one major injury to ruin your life. Too many tractor injuries occur when folks are too ambitious, too early.

Where I am in Florida, an INSURED, BONDED tree service will work for $1,200 per day, with a crew of 4-6 people. I would think two days for knocking over trees so stumps are out and piling, so about $2,400 without taking any material off the property.
 
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