Ford releases fuel numbers for the new F-150

[wawajake]

I suspect insurance companies will need a year of body work claims before they adjust insurance levels for their rate books.

 

[Egon]

I had so many unpredictable failures with carbon fiber on mountain bikes and motorcycles, that I refuse to fly aircraft made of it.

One moment the carbon bit looks fine, another moment and catastrophic failure!

[video]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-fiber-reinforced_polymer[/video]

You not gonna fly anymore??

 

[jejeosborne]

I had so many unpredictable failures with carbon fiber on mountain bikes and motorcycles, that I refuse to fly aircraft made of it.

One moment the carbon bit looks fine, another moment and catastrophic failure!

Did you follow FAA inspection protocol on your bikes? Were the bikes built to specific standards? Being an A&P mechanic, I assure you will be safe flying on aircraft built using composites.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...0QFjAD&usg=AFQjCNE8RkWOCK8GGOMtWTLsSR-8yESMFw

 

[roadhunter]

1. Fact
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Please post a link to this "fact". I'd like to see it.

 

[roadhunter]

Are you disputing Fords claim that the new aluminum panels are more dent resistant?

Are you really concerned that the insurance company will not pay the complete claim and the "extra costs" will have to be paid by the owner? What sparked that thought?

Aluminum 2015 Ford F-150 not at risk from hail damage according to top engineer - Torque News

Yes, because aluminum is not a dent resistant material. That is why aluminum is used for soffit and not roof panels.

After reading numerous articles about the increased cost to repair aluminum body panels and the additional equipment, training, and space required to repair aluminum body panels it is obvious that there will be additional costs. From my experience with insurance companies they dont like paying additional costs so I would expect the insurance rates on these trucks to be increased to cover the additional costs to repair them. Neither Ford nor the insurance companies will absorb that cost, it will be passed along to the consumer. I have no idea why you can't see what is so obvious to the rest of us.

There are numerous articles that discuss the extra costs. Even one where Ford was paying a portion of the cots at its' dealerships to get setup for aluminum repair. If you don't think aluminum body panels cost more and will cost more to repair you are fooling yourself. In the end the consumer will pay those costs. That's just how it works.

 

[jejeosborne]

Yes, because aluminum is not a dent resistant material. That is why aluminum is used for soffit and not roof panels.

After reading numerous articles about the increased cost to repair aluminum body panels and the additional equipment, training, and space required to repair aluminum body panels it is obvious that there will be additional costs. From my experience with insurance companies they dont like paying additional costs so I would expect the insurance rates on these trucks to be increased to cover the additional costs to repair them. Neither Ford nor the insurance companies will absorb that cost, it will be passed along to the consumer. I have no idea why you can't see what is so obvious to the rest of us.

There are numerous articles that discuss the extra costs. Even one where Ford was paying a portion of the cots at its' dealerships to get setup for aluminum repair. If you don't think aluminum body panels cost more and will cost more to repair you are fooling yourself. In the end the consumer will pay those costs. That's just how it works.

So your saying ford is lying about using thicker material to make the panels less prone to denting than the thinner steel panels they replace.....interesting. Have you tested your theory and published reports that counter Fords testing?

I never disputed that it wouldn't be more expensive to repair. I interpreted your post as the truck owner would have to pay for the added cost to repair per specific claim and found that idea crazy. I believe the truck may cost slightly more to insure but doubt the owner will have to pitch in any money on a given claim. I also believe that the added cost to insure will easily be offset by the reduced fuel cost by a great factor. Consider the minor cost difference in insuring a well equipped vehicle vs the stripper fleet version. A lot more cost to replace or repair a loaded vehicle yet the insurance cost are not drastically different.

 

[roadhunter]

So your saying ford is lying about using thicker material to make the panels less prone to denting than the thinner steel panels they replace.....interesting. Have you tested your theory and published reports that counter Fords testing?

I never disputed that it wouldn't be more expensive to repair. I interpreted your post as the truck owner would have to pay for the added cost to repair per specific claim and found that idea crazy. I believe the truck may cost slightly more to insure but doubt the owner will have to pitch in any money on a given claim. I also believe that the added cost to insure will easily be offset by the reduced fuel cost by a great factor. Consider the minor cost difference in insuring a well equipped vehicle vs the stripper fleet version. A lot more cost to replace or repair a loaded vehicle yet the insurance cost are not drastically different.

Nope. Just waiting to see a link to the information and claims. Can you please provide a link? Thanks in advance.

BTW the fact that Ford is having to use a thicker aluminum confirms my point that aluminum is not as dent resistant as steel is, this the extra thickness required. This confirms what I have seen to be true. Thanks.


You thin I'm crazy because I believe the consumer will ultimately end up paying for the extra cost to repair aluminum body panels on cars. Why is such a simple concept so difficult for you to grasp? Insurance companies will always pass along costs to consumers.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Please do. I would be interested to know.

Here you go.

Currently for full coverage $500 deductible I pay $338 for 6 months on my 2012 Supercrew FX4.

A 2015 Supercrew FX4 is $366. No real difference since my current truck is 3 yrs old.

By the way my insurance company is Shelter. My agent said the F150 is cheaper to insure than any other 1/2 ton.

Chris

 

[roadhunter]

Here you go.

Currently for full coverage $500 deductible I pay $338 for 6 months on my 2012 Supercrew FX4.

A 2015 Supercrew FX4 is $366. No real difference since my current truck is 3 yrs old.

By the way my insurance company is Shelter. My agent said the F150 is cheaper to insure than any other 1/2 ton.

Chris

Why is the Ford cheaper to insure than other brands?

I just love claims like this. Aluminum body but costs less to repair?? makes lots of sense.

 

[jejeosborne]

Why is the Ford cheaper to insure than other brands?

I just love claims like this. Aluminum body but costs less to repair?? makes lots of sense.

Probably has to do with safety and having low cost parts. Simple business math really. More of them on the road which drives down parts cost. Highest rated safety pick through insurance Institute for Highway safety for 2014 also factors in.