DFB
Elite Member
- Joined
- Dec 7, 2000
- Messages
- 2,897
- Location
- Southern VT, Southern ME
- Tractor
- John Deere 4100 HST /410 FEL, R4s
Stampede!
- Thread starter DFB
- Start date
- Views: 1942
KevT
Platinum Member
- Joined
- Apr 1, 2015
- Messages
- 972
- Tractor
- Kubota L3901 HST w/ FEL, ST2046
They are just big ugly cows. There are no natural wild buffalo herds left in America, we as Americans already wiped them out. Had a friend that was excited to go on a buffalo hunt and when he got back, I asked him what did he do, pick the one he wanted walk up to it and shoot it? He said, Well yea. Sad part, I think I am the only one that see's a problem here. That is not hunting!
Okay off my soap box, and before everyone jumps down my throat, no I am not against hunting! But it ain't hunting if you feed them out of your hand before shooting them.
Okay off my soap box, and before everyone jumps down my throat, no I am not against hunting! But it ain't hunting if you feed them out of your hand before shooting them.
k0ua
Epic Contributor
Sorry to see they had to be shot, but we eat a lot of Buffalo, it is good eating. I sure hope they immediately field dressed those animals and got them to the processing plant. It would be tragic to let all that good food go to waste.
Yes they are large dangerous animals when mixed up with people.
In the immortal words, of Deets from Lonesome Dove: "them bulls will hook ya".
I am glad I did not have to make the decision to put down all of those animals, but I hope at least good use was made of the meat.
Yes they are large dangerous animals when mixed up with people.
In the immortal words, of Deets from Lonesome Dove: "them bulls will hook ya".
I am glad I did not have to make the decision to put down all of those animals, but I hope at least good use was made of the meat.
firemanmike69
Silver Member
This happened not too far from me, they actually got pretty far this time the other times they have gotten out they didn't go nearly as far
Bird
Rest in Peace
I'd agree that it's not hunting, but what's wrong about it if you want the meat? We kill many other animals for meat. Now of course I used to be a hunter, and I've killed lots of animals, both wild and domestic, but it was either for meat or to eliminate a problem. Just never was a "sport" or "trophy" hunter. I took great pleasure in putting food on the table; never got any pleasure from killing something.
I would assume your buffalo hunter friend spent a fair amount of money to get to go on a buffalo hunt. I won't spend more to kill something than what I could pay for the meat without doing the killing myself.
I, too, have eaten buffalo (bison) on at least 3 occasions, and if it were cheaper than beef I'd eat more of it, but I can't see spending more for it than I'd pay for beef.
KevT
Platinum Member
- Joined
- Apr 1, 2015
- Messages
- 972
- Tractor
- Kubota L3901 HST w/ FEL, ST2046
I grew up hunting and that is how we put food on the table. I have no problem with that. I don't hunt presently solely on the principle of being Lazy. Got no problem shooting it, just don't want to clean it... Lazy.:thumbsup: And trust me when I tell you I can beg!!! When friends around here bag something, some venison comes home with me . And if you want a freezer full of buffalo, order it processed and delivered, don't tell me you are going buffalo hunting like it is some big adventure.
newbury
Super Star Member
- Joined
- Jan 8, 2009
- Messages
- 14,105
- Location
- From Vt, in Va, retiring to MS
- Tractor
- Kubota's - B7610, M4700
I've a relative in NE Mississippi who will remain unnamed that found a "wild" Longhorn tearing up his fences and harassing his beef cattle.
It died of lead poisoning. He had to go get the big tractor to haul it off, it weighed well over 1,000 lbs.
It died of lead poisoning. He had to go get the big tractor to haul it off, it weighed well over 1,000 lbs.
texasjohn
Super Member
I raise Beefmaster cattle.
DISPOSITION is a formal selection criteria, meaning "good disposition."
To me, it is the most critical criteria. If you can't round up the cattle in a pen and put them in a trailer, you can't even take them to the auction barn.
In the first few years of putting my herd together, I ended up with one bull calf which escaped the pen, ran thru the gate before I could shut it. When I next rounded things into the pen, he was about 900 lbs, snaky as they come. Despite working him with kid gloves, he jumped out of the 6 foot high steel pen...didn't even touch the top rail. Next time it took me days to trick him to come into the pen. When he finally did, I got him under the barn, down the chute and into the steel trailer with steel bars across the roof, no tarp. I breathed a sigh of relief, then he began to climb out of the trailer, straight up, pushed the bars aside and simply levitated out of there. I was hitting him over the head with a six foot two by four, literally drawing blood for the upper half of his escape and it didn't begin to slow him down. He now would jump any fence on the place, and did so whenever he saw us, running to the other side of 200 acres or onto neighbor's property. I ultimately called an abattoir, explained the situation and he said, "shoot him and bring him in, I'll grind him up!" That's what we did. All 1400 lbs of him. Had to hunt him down like a deer, head shot at 150 yards, couldn't get closer.
I well understand there are some situations where only a center fire rifle is the solution.
Buffalo, IMHO, are all bull headed and do not respect fences and are exceptionally dangerous to people and horses...MUCH more than cattle.
DISPOSITION is a formal selection criteria, meaning "good disposition."
To me, it is the most critical criteria. If you can't round up the cattle in a pen and put them in a trailer, you can't even take them to the auction barn.
In the first few years of putting my herd together, I ended up with one bull calf which escaped the pen, ran thru the gate before I could shut it. When I next rounded things into the pen, he was about 900 lbs, snaky as they come. Despite working him with kid gloves, he jumped out of the 6 foot high steel pen...didn't even touch the top rail. Next time it took me days to trick him to come into the pen. When he finally did, I got him under the barn, down the chute and into the steel trailer with steel bars across the roof, no tarp. I breathed a sigh of relief, then he began to climb out of the trailer, straight up, pushed the bars aside and simply levitated out of there. I was hitting him over the head with a six foot two by four, literally drawing blood for the upper half of his escape and it didn't begin to slow him down. He now would jump any fence on the place, and did so whenever he saw us, running to the other side of 200 acres or onto neighbor's property. I ultimately called an abattoir, explained the situation and he said, "shoot him and bring him in, I'll grind him up!" That's what we did. All 1400 lbs of him. Had to hunt him down like a deer, head shot at 150 yards, couldn't get closer.
I well understand there are some situations where only a center fire rifle is the solution.
Buffalo, IMHO, are all bull headed and do not respect fences and are exceptionally dangerous to people and horses...MUCH more than cattle.
rekees4300
Elite Member
Shame they were killed but the owner made the correct decision, had no alternative. He was lucky nobody got hurt or killed. His life could have been ruined with lawsuits and/or prison.
Last edited:
QRTRHRS
Elite Member
I used to live near someone who raised buffalo. I had only lived there a short time when one day my wife and I came home. As we drove in we saw one of our stallions fussing over something so I went to see what. There stood a couple of buffalo. It was dry and they were seeking greener pasture so they broke down a gate.
Though I did not know the owner, I knew where they came from so I drove over to their place. Their daughter had already notified the parents about the escapees so they were on the way home. I told the daughter where to send her parents then drove back home. By this time the buffalo's had made their way into my back yard and were roughing up a row of pines scratching their backside. They walked by my quarter horse stud who also threw fit though he had been in team penning, etc., etc. Guess he knew that they were not cows.
The owner showed and with a bucket of grain and a plastic prod managed to get them home. Later, he came back to thank me and we sat and chatted awhile. Initially, he was not sure if he could even get them home as this had never happened. He also told me that they were considered exotics so he did not have the expensive insurance to cover them.
It's easy to look back at the wrongs of the past when the buffalo were shot wholesale and the plains tribes life's were decimated. But then, the natives used stealth and a bow and arrow to slay their prey. Had they aquired guns sooner, don't think for a moment that they would not have taken more than they needed.
Similar to a dog allowed to run loose, these were innocent animals that posed a danger so they were shot. You cannot equate the loss to what fortunately did not happen. That is a loss of a human life. Obviously, the owner failed to contain his animals. Maybe he could have done better, maybe something he did not foresee happened. He is the one who is out the value of the animals. His breeding program if any is more than likely done so he has to start over. Innocent beasts or not, these animals were likely being raised for profit same as a cow.
Hopefully as mentoned, the meat was utilized.
Though I did not know the owner, I knew where they came from so I drove over to their place. Their daughter had already notified the parents about the escapees so they were on the way home. I told the daughter where to send her parents then drove back home. By this time the buffalo's had made their way into my back yard and were roughing up a row of pines scratching their backside. They walked by my quarter horse stud who also threw fit though he had been in team penning, etc., etc. Guess he knew that they were not cows.
The owner showed and with a bucket of grain and a plastic prod managed to get them home. Later, he came back to thank me and we sat and chatted awhile. Initially, he was not sure if he could even get them home as this had never happened. He also told me that they were considered exotics so he did not have the expensive insurance to cover them.
It's easy to look back at the wrongs of the past when the buffalo were shot wholesale and the plains tribes life's were decimated. But then, the natives used stealth and a bow and arrow to slay their prey. Had they aquired guns sooner, don't think for a moment that they would not have taken more than they needed.
Similar to a dog allowed to run loose, these were innocent animals that posed a danger so they were shot. You cannot equate the loss to what fortunately did not happen. That is a loss of a human life. Obviously, the owner failed to contain his animals. Maybe he could have done better, maybe something he did not foresee happened. He is the one who is out the value of the animals. His breeding program if any is more than likely done so he has to start over. Innocent beasts or not, these animals were likely being raised for profit same as a cow.
Hopefully as mentoned, the meat was utilized.