Chevy Pokes Fun at Ford Aluminum Truck

   / Chevy Pokes Fun at Ford Aluminum Truck #41  
I think that it is a great idea and have been hoping that they would make one for years. I'm just surprised that GM is bashing them being they have to know that this is probably a better product to be using especially because they've been using it in select body parts for years. I just hope it doesn't hurt the steel industry any we don't need any more job problems there.

Also I think s219 got unjustly ridiculed for pointing out something interesting that many don't understand. Modern treated lumber corrodes aluminum quickly. So if you're hauling a load in your bed to build a new deck you don't want to have to worry.
Not that they should build a truck out of wood.
 
   / Chevy Pokes Fun at Ford Aluminum Truck #42  
You guys are making too much of this Ford/GM thing. Probably because everyone has deep rooted 'trash talk' embedded into their feeble minds.... from years of watching the truck manufacturers do their marketing thing to try to get you to buy ' their MUCH better ' truck.... Go outside, it's nice out there,,,, :)
 
   / Chevy Pokes Fun at Ford Aluminum Truck #43  
If aluminum is stronger than steel, why are the panels thicker? Just curious. Don't care one way or the other about either brand as I will never, ever be buying a new pickup truck due to the cost.
Altho some aluminum is stronger than some steel, no aluminum is as stiff as any steel. Stiffness increases with the cube of thickness however - so the aluminum panels are made a little thicker to make them as stiff as a steel panel.
larry
 
   / Chevy Pokes Fun at Ford Aluminum Truck #44  
Ford took a gamble and rolled the dice. Sooner or later they will all have aluminum sheeting and plastic beds/floors. Ford's gamble is that the time is at hand. Now, that fuel prices are somewhat at bay due to US production and a slower rate of demand increase; Ford may remain the lone player in major use of aluminum. The other producers will have to follow and are probably well into the planning stages. They will have to roll the dice and take their chances too.

prs
 
   / Chevy Pokes Fun at Ford Aluminum Truck #45  
I think that it is a great idea and have been hoping that they would make one for years. I'm just surprised that GM is bashing them being they have to know that this is probably a better product to be using especially because they've been using it in select body parts for years. I just hope it doesn't hurt the steel industry any we don't need any more job problems there.

That is a bit ironic since GM uses an aluminum hood on their trucks, and has done it for years. I remember seeing a press release when the 2014 trucks came out, where they were touting their new high strength steel on the one hand, and touting the aluminum hood on the other. They even have a third steel formulation for the bed if I remember right. There was a quote that suggested they picked the best materials for each component, which is a fair way to look at it, and how I see things as an engineer. The commercial loses that even handed approach, but I really don't think it will be taken seriously enough to matter. I think it's amusing enough to be a good commercial and draw attention to the product without necessarily being credible. Since when has advertising been credible anyhow? They are probably playing on a perceived weakness of the competition (which I don't agree with, but many people do based on discussions here on TBN).

I do think it's interesting to follow the link Garandman posted, where the weights of crew cab 4x4 trucks are as follows: 5605 pounds (Chevy), 5828 pounds (Ford), 5999 pounds Ram. No telling what options are in each that could potentially affect weights, but it does suggest to me that materials/structures is still an evolving science for 1/2 ton trucks, and that nobody has demonstrated a clear advantage yet.

Also I think s219 got unjustly ridiculed for pointing out something interesting that many don't understand. Modern treated lumber corrodes aluminum quickly. So if you're hauling a load in your bed to build a new deck you don't want to have to worry.

I wasn't necessarily thinking along those lines, just was pointing out an example where galvanized steel would be more corrosion resistant than aluminum. My boat lift frame is aluminum, and I had to take special precautions to isolate it from pressure treated framing on my pier and boat house. Where rain hit the PT lumber and dripped on the aluminum, it pitted up within hours/days. Galvanized steel is far superior against corrosion in that scenario. Aluminum was chosen for the lift frame for other reasons (weight, fabrication) that make sense on a system level.
 
   / Chevy Pokes Fun at Ford Aluminum Truck #46  
   / Chevy Pokes Fun at Ford Aluminum Truck #47  
It kinda reminds me of when one truck manufacturer (forget which) came out with a step that makes getting into the bed easier. A good idea. The other manufacturer then made a special commercial inferring that if you need a step, you must be a runt.
 
   / Chevy Pokes Fun at Ford Aluminum Truck #48  
It kinda reminds me of when one truck manufacturer (forget which) came out with a step that makes getting into the bed easier. A good idea. The other manufacturer then made a special commercial inferring that if you need a step, you must be a runt.

Same manufacturers. Ford made the step, GM slammed it. Now GM has the steps on their bumpers. Oh, and a source tells me GM has a tailgate step in the works too.

The new GM trucks coming in '18/'19 will have a lot more aluminum than the current GM trucks. I'd say the engineers are seriously questioning the marketing department about now...
 
   / Chevy Pokes Fun at Ford Aluminum Truck #49  
Aluminum is quite a reactive metal. Fortunately, it quickly forms an aluminum oxide (corundum) protective coating over itself. Some substances catalyze decomposition of this coating so the aluminum continues to corrode. Mercury and gallium are examples of this (I suspect pressure-treated wood has components doing the same thing).
Here is a short, time-lapse video of mercury's effect on aluminum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ilxsu-JlY

Don't get caught taking a mercury thermometer onto a commercial airplane...

Bob
 
   / Chevy Pokes Fun at Ford Aluminum Truck
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Just a note on aluminum cost of repair. Edmunds did a rear quarter panel sledge hammer ding and took it in for repair ....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um7UpIA4X0s . They came to the conclusion it's way more expensive than a steel repair........Not so fast said Consumer Reports .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxUaDTpryw . They realized that Edmunds did not take their damaged truck to a Ford certified aluminum repair shop and thus the costs ended up higher as they did not have the right technology to repair/replace the quarter panel. Just goes to show you that information/misinformation is rampant in the auto industry.
 

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