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[ultrarunner]

MPG can go overboard...

My then 85 year old neighbor had a low mileage 1985 Cadillac that she and her husband bought new... always garage kept and 15 years old... she was driving about 2,000 miles per year.

Her college granddaughter absolutely didn't like the car for a number of reasons... too big... Detroit made, not good on gas... etc... so grandma succumbed and traded it in for $1000 on a new Prius... with her Granddaughter doing the negotiating...

Nothing wrong with the Prius per say... it's just the other car was paid for and well liked by the owner who only drove to market, church and Doctor visits...

She did not like the Prius... never got used to it and missed having a full bench seat and gear selector on the column...

The gas "Savings" will never pay or justify...

 

[ovrszd]

I can't verify this, but, have heard several times that the Prius has a very high "Carbon Footprint".

And this I can verify. I get passed on the hiway the most by speeding Prius drivers.

 

[TomSeller]

A good friend just bought a Tundra, gets about 8 mpg, omg, 5/7, it's more like 9/12. My 5.3 suburban get 17 in mixed and is close to 22 on highway. That puts Toyota in "wouldn't even consider" category. HS

I would have to agree with you based on those numbers.

 

[Grateful11]

A good friend just bought a Tundra, gets about 8 mpg, omg, 5/7, it's more like 9/12. My 5.3 suburban get 17 in mixed and is close to 22 on highway. That puts Toyota in "wouldn't even consider" category. HS

Then your friend either doesn't know how to drive or his truck has a problem. We've put close to 4000 miles on our new Tundra 2015 5.7L SR5 TRD 4WD Double Cab. We drove right at 300 miles Saturday, mixed driving about 60% highway and 40% country roads, filled her up Mon. and calculated the mileage on a good old calculator and got 17.2 mpg. That's not the only tank that's gotten that good either so it wasn't a glitch. Around here when mostly country roads it's getting 15.9 to 16.4. The highest we've seen the onboard computer go is 16.5mpg. Not bad for 381hp and 401 ft. lbs. of torque.

Never thought we'd ever buy a Toyota truck until we started looking at everything available, looked at the Chevy 1500's and everyone we looked at was marked final assembly Mexico and my wife no way, plus everything we looked at equipped like she wanted was $47-52K MSRP. She drove the Dodge Eco-Diesel and it was a nice truck but just didn't have any get up and go. Once you were going on down the road it was ok but nothing to brag about especially not at $51K. Drove onto the Ford lot and everything equipped like we needed was a good $2-3K more than Chevy and Dodge. So we went home mulled it over.

Finally we saw that a Toyota dealer in Charlotte had a '12 Tundra Limited with fiberglass cap and loaded, it lasted a day on the lot and was gone before we got there. They also had an '11 Chevy 2500 Diesel/Allison tranny, didn't realize it was 2WD until we got there, we drove it, price wasn't bad, mileage pretty low. So I called my brother that has a '12 2500 Chevy Diesel and said don't touch if it's 2WD, he said around the farm you're going to get stuck way too many times. He said if you would pee in front of the rear tires with the truck in the yard he have to put it in 4WD to get it to move. He says there's so much weight up front and the rear traction without 4WD just plain sucks.

So the salesman says I can put you in a new truck for about what those two used ones are/were going for so we said show us. So we looked at a SuperCrew cab first and the bed was just too short and it had a bench seat with no power adjustments. Then I noticed a sweet looking white Tundra SR5 TRD 4WD, bucket seats(power drivers seat), 5.7L V8, sprayed in bedliner, 18" Michelins All Terrains, 6 speed tranny, back-up camera, Bilstein Shocks, Navigation, Bluetooth, everything we wanted. MSRP was a tad over $42K and the selling price was $36.5K. We made the deal and she loves, drives great, feels solid, plenty of room.

We drove a couple counties away from the farm Monday to pick up some seed that wasn't available here and before she got done she had 1400# in the bed, she did all the driving and I asked her how it handled with that much weight in the bed and she said, "couldn't even tell it was back there."

I don't think it'll ever get quite what our '02 Chevy Tahoe Z71 with a 5.3L gets but we're not complaining. The Tahoe will get 19 on the highway, it has 92K miles on it.

 

[TomSeller]

Then your friend either doesn't know how to drive or his truck has a problem. We've put close to 4000 miles on our new Tundra 2015 5.7L SR5 TRD 4WD Double Cab. We drove right at 300 miles Saturday, mixed driving about 60% highway and 40% country roads, filled her up Mon. and calculated the mileage on a good old calculator and got 17.2 mpg. That's not the only tank that's gotten that good either so it wasn't a glitch.

I would have to agree with you based on those numbers. Curious what other's unvarnished truth is. You seem to be very accurate and with first hand information.

 

[Patches]

I would have to agree with you based on those numbers. Curious what other's unvarnished truth is. You seem to be very accurate and with first hand information.

I've owned my '07 Tundra since July of '07, It now has 115,000 miles on it and has averaged 16 to 17 mpg on the local county roads(45 to 55 mph) but little in town driving. On interstate trips I've obtained as much as 19.5 mpg, if I keep the speed below 70 mph. I tow a two place "clam shell" snowmobile trailer with two sleds in it and average 13 to 14 mpg. The trailer weighs about 2100lbs. and is a good sized sail. I have towed an equipment trailer with two farm tractors on weighing an "estimated" 12,500lbs and it towed that load very easily; agreed that weight is beyond the advertised tow rating and I am not advocating others attempt this, but is just an aside to demonstrate the Tundra's ability. This is the longest I have owned a vehicle(8 years) and I've no intention of trading it; I'm hoping to get another 115,000 from it

 

[clemsonfor]

MPG can go overboard...

My then 85 year old neighbor had a low mileage 1985 Cadillac that she and her husband bought new... always garage kept and 15 years old... she was driving about 2,000 miles per year.

Her college granddaughter absolutely didn't like the car for a number of reasons... too big... Detroit made, not good on gas... etc... so grandma succumbed and traded it in for $1000 on a new Prius... with her Granddaughter doing the negotiating...

Nothing wrong with the Prius per say... it's just the other car was paid for and well liked by the owner who only drove to market, church and Doctor visits...

She did not like the Prius... never got used to it and missed having a full bench seat and gear selector on the column...

The gas "Savings" will never pay or justify...

That sounds like a story right out of california!!!

I dont understand how the girl could not see that! Grandma drives less than 3000 miles a year!!!! who cares if she gets 10mpg the gas would only add up to like 2 car paryments a year tops!!!

 

[s219]

Then your friend either doesn't know how to drive or his truck has a problem. We've put close to 4000 miles on our new Tundra 2015 5.7L SR5 TRD 4WD Double Cab. We drove right at 300 miles Saturday, mixed driving about 60% highway and 40% country roads, filled her up Mon. and calculated the mileage on a good old calculator and got 17.2 mpg. That's not the only tank that's gotten that good either so it wasn't a glitch. Around here when mostly country roads it's getting 15.9 to 16.4. The highest we've seen the onboard computer go is 16.5mpg. Not bad for 381hp and 401 ft. lbs. of torque.

To me your numbers are reasonable and typical for Toyota, but keep in mind that is still below the class MPG leaders. I normally do about 50% city/highway with my GMC with 5.3L V8, 4x4, crew cab, and my tanks average 19-21 MPG at the next fill up. On tanks where I am biased to mostly highway driving and country roads, it will come in around 22-23 MPG (country roads at about 50-55 mph are the sweet spot, as the truck loafs along on just 4 cylinders with very little throttle input). The only time I see a tank's average go below 19MPG is when I mix in some towing or an abnormal amount of idling or city driving, or in the dead of winter when all the numbers skew lower. Aside from an all-towing tank that was down near 13-14, the worst mixed towing/commuting tank I ever saw was still in the 17s.

When I combine all the specs and numbers I see reported on forums like this, Toyota is consistently about 6-7 MPG lower than the most efficient competitors, apples to apples. It's just the way it is. Their window sticker numbers also reflect this. Surely they can improve this with more engineering. I expect them to take a leap with their next generation to keep pace.

 

[Patches]

Those are good #'s, but consider your truck is about 300hp, Toyota is 380; you're in the 340 to 350lb/ft of torque range, the Tundra is 401; you are probably running a 3.73:1 axle ratio while the Tundra is turning a 4.30:1. While I'd like your fuel mileage, I'd rather have my power

 

[s219]

The 5.3L V8 has 355HP and 383ft-lb torque. Lower than Toyota, but not so much that it justifies 25-30% worse MPG numbers in my opinion. If more power and torque is needed, there are other engine options available in the other brands, but you cannot get a more efficient motor from Toyota -- they don't even give customers that choice. My point being, the other brands cover both ends of the power/efficiency spectrum. Toyota is stuck on one end only, which is very uncharacteristic for the brand.