lets discuss preps for disasters
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I've never understood this. You think people in the city are going to leave all their resources and community behind to walk 20 miles into the suburbs to catch a squirrel?
It's your ill-prepared neighbors that will be the problem, for you or me or anyone else. Cities are a lot more robust and have a lot more resources than rural romantics realize. It's a conceit.
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??? Inner cities get food deliveries every 1-3 days, in a disaster, that's the max amount of time till shelves will be bare, add 36 hours past the no food mark and there will be panic and chaos.
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Repeating something doesn't make it true. Less than 2% of the population are farmers. How many people do you know who have the resources to grow all the food they need? I've stopped in grocery stores in NNE and their shelves are just as empty as the ones in Boston when a storm is forecast.
The difference is that a city like Boston has food distribution warehouses for the entire region, a deep water port, an airport, and a highway network. If trucks aren't moving it won't be Boston that's screwed, it will be the rest of the region.
People seem to think that every person in a city must live in a high-rise apartment building, and have no common sense. The fistfights in grocery stores and generator thefts that I've heard of didn't happen in the city, they happened in the 'burbs.
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I hope you don't honestly believe that every large / inner city concrete jungle in existance has a stocked food distrubition hub capable of supporting a huge region, just setting there. Some yes. all? no.
Those of us that live rural are used to going to the store.. buying 2 months worth of dry goods, etc. My friends that live in big cities are used to going to the store on the walk /subway/taxi home every day or 2.
I have no idea where your farmer comment came from.. I never brought it up, and as far as repeating making it true.. I'm taking that as you just called me a liar...
Anyone who doesn't think that living in a high density, especially vertically populated area won't have ANY negative impacts during a mass evacuation, biological pandemic ( high population density = more transmission possibility ), or other similar disaster issue at least needs to take a look at nine meals from anarchy.. ( just in time delivery and electronic stock monitoring and ordering plus limited shelf and on site storage space is partly the reason for this.. though on the other hand, in non emergency situations, it usually runs fairly efficiently )
Having lived thru many, many devastating storms, including florida where some places were without power approaching a MONTH, and even medium cities being bereft of fuel or the ability to pump fuel for weeks, or seeing flattened landscapes that took YEARS to rebuild... yeah... ( andrew ) no reason to think that right after 63,000 houses are leveled that the corner jiffy won't have everything I need all day, every day... that's wishfull thinking! ( ps, another 110,000 homes were damaged, not including the 63000 leveled )
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I also have the entire Foxfire series, as well as a few on ancient construction, survival books, medical books, emergency surgery, edible plants and I found a link to a massive Armed Services field manuals, in .pdf format and have been downloading them as time permits.
We bought a fully stocked emergency medical backpack and will get the full surgical one as well before long. We have enough literature stockpiled to handle most situations but I am always looking for more. As far as peanut butter, I have opened some that was a couple years past its "best by date" and it was perfectly fine. We do have plenty of heirloom seeds but hope to collect some more.
We will never be fully prepared for everything, and certainly not as set up as well as Andy, but every month that goes by we are one step closer.
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Grandman do you really think that ships are still running into Boston when the whole country shuts down and no more trucks are running, no more power, no more water, no more natural gas, no more petroleum fuel of any kind?
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Ok, I'll change the tone for a second, because it's something I haven't seen anything about, that affects me, at some others posting here. Kids. I've got a 9 yr old son, a 4 yr old daughter, and a 1 year old daughter. So, the 1 year old (just turned 1 like 3 weeks ago) still needs diapers, wipes, etc for the short (1 or 2 week evens) term. Sure, over the longer range I would be forced to make cloth diapers out of old work shirts, but I would prefer to avoid it for your, what I'll call 1st degree events. All 3 are in good shape and health (HALLAJUEH) but it's something that would make it hard in a more serious event to shelter with others. Helping 1 able bodied person is one thing, a family of 5; that's a much bigger ask.
My son's cub scout pack and I where camping this weekend and we got to talking about this. A good friend and fairly close neighbor has cattle, I've got chickens, another has hogs, others have arms, mechanical skills, ect. What I said was in a true SHTF, people would help each other, but you wouldn't be able to show up empty handed. Neighbor who has nothing to share, and no skills, isn't going to be able to hunker down with me and mine, and expect me to provide for them.
As heartless as it is; the elderly and sick might make it 2 weeks, if it goes on for a month, not many would.
My son's cub scout pack and I where camping this weekend and we got to talking about this. A good friend and fairly close neighbor has cattle, I've got chickens, another has hogs, others have arms, mechanical skills, ect. What I said was in a true SHTF, people would help each other, but you wouldn't be able to show up empty handed. Neighbor who has nothing to share, and no skills, isn't going to be able to hunker down with me and mine, and expect me to provide for them.
As heartless as it is; the elderly and sick might make it 2 weeks, if it goes on for a month, not many would.
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Well, after reading your comments I know there are some...I don't believe you can fathom how fast things can go REALLY sour...and I'm not even talking about the worst case scenario...
"fistfights in grocery stores"...?...hehehe...in not even a worst case...inner city stores will be looted first...there won't be anything left for the clueless to even fight over...the denser the population the worse it will be...
In the event of something like a devastating CME...just imagine every big city (in an effected region) like N.O. was during Katrina X 10...
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Great series...I happen to reside in the same county where it (Foxfire) all started...they have a great museum/exhibition...
We have an annual festival that happens to be this coming weekend...
The Foxfire Fund, Inc.
