home owners insurance

   / home owners insurance #31  
Yeah the insurance co. take a risk but its in their favor man! nothing for free in the greedy world! Right now I have to have H.O in a few years different story the house and land will be paid in full! and like I said the house is not worth what the premium will be in 2 years. If you really want to know why I don't want insurance after its paid for it looks like the marks bros.built this house! so why throw good money into a rat hole? if the house burns down I lose the 10 grand I put in nothing else!.

If you are living in a house that is not worth more than 2 years of premiums.. Then yes, perhaps you are correct about throwing your money away, as you could "self insure" with a savings account.. BUT are you telling us your house is REALLY worth less than 2 years worth of premiums? Are you SURE about that? The bottom line is that it is your house and your business as to what you do.. Not ours.. But I darn sure are keeping insurance on my house and possesions when I finally get it paid for. (If I live long enough :eek:)
 
   / home owners insurance #32  
I had hail damage a couple yrs ago and the roof was replaced by insurance. The roof replacement probably cost more than my premiums up to that time. House insurance is relatively cheap, I pay less for it than auto insurance.
 
   / home owners insurance #33  
I have been in the insurance business for 45 years. I am a strong advocate of self insuring what you can afford to lose. I practice what I preach. For instance my considerable motorcycle collection is not insured for physical damage. My home is insured but I carry a very high deductible. If my home was gone tomorrow I will find the $10,000 necessary for the deductible but I will not suffer the need to take out a mortgage at my stage in life. By taking a very high deductible the premiums are reduced considerably. It also will send a message to your underwriter that you have skin in the game and that will make you a more desirable potential customer.

Insurance dollars are not happy dollars and sadly my job has become helping my clients find the least worst insurance company.
 
   / home owners insurance #34  
Insurance dollars are not happy dollars and sadly my job has become helping my clients find the least worst insurance company.
I sold my agency when I realized the business, meaning the insurance companies, were making me feel bad about myself. Town of 2000, far Northern suburbs of Philadelphia PA, knew everyone, and when the property casualty companies were going through their upheavals because they just could not help themselves when they lowered prices one year and then several years later when the losses were more than expected they started cancelling large groups of my clients when they hadn't even filed a claim. One of several client migrations; sounds like you have had more than you like.

The marketing people for homeowner and auto companies are pretty dumb from my experience, they just should have slowly raised their rates. Instead they kept whipsawing the public and lots of people were inconvenienced by their incompetent marketing. First they want your car insurance. Then they don't. Then they want it back...I really got disgusted with them, and I had good books of business with quality companies like Travelers, Maryland Casualty, TransAmerica and Prudential. All of them seemed to not be able to manage their businesses profitably. Yet I as their agent was of course required to, and having started out as an underwriter, I had a ten year overall agency loss ratio of 32%. So the insurance companies were sure making enough money in my area, from my clients. Anything over 65-70% loss ratios they start losing money so mine was half that. Yet my clients got jerked around just like others. It was stupid.

So I left the property casualty business with a sour taste in my mouth, not for the clients or the insurance process, it was dealing with idiots who were making blanket decisions about my profitable insurance clients, and never for sure to their best interests. I was defending my clients against the insurance companies, what a tiring and aggravating place to be. I'm hoping it has improved since I got out but likely it hasn't. They just keep trying to put more exclusions in the policies each year. As they manage overall risk, and in my experience, this is not an industry that has earned our trust from a marketing standpoint. Processing? They have millions of rules designed to get things right internally.

Humblebub, how is insurance in Canada different from the US? More freezing exclusions? Wondering how you keep your municipal water/hydrant systems going in super cold weather. I was an active volunteer fireman for ten years until I ruined my back but it was always an issue of finding water. Either bring it or find it.

I've lived in protection class 2, 6 and now 9. The current being unprotected, no fire hydrant, but volunteer fire company within so many miles.
I think a Class 10 is basically you are on your own being pretty far from a volunteer fire company, in some cases, very far.
Yeah, I bet the class 10 homeowners really have a hard time of it. When loss ratios rise, the higher risk business is usually the first to get axed.

If money were no object, which it sure is for most of us, you go to a company like Chubb, or perhaps to their agent, and you pay 5 thousand dollars for your 3 thousand dollar policy and are likely well cared for. Must be nice...
 
   / home owners insurance #35  
in fairness to the OP, if his home is poorly built, and he had few valuable personal possessions plus money in the bank that could easily be allocated to building/buying a new home, then yeah, then "run bare" on property insurance. But not liability. You for sure need premises liability and yes you need personal liability. Liability that would cover you, for example, for something you wrote right here that someone takes great offense to.(Libel) Or would pay to rebuild the hotel room your forgotten cigar managed to burn down. (Property Damage) And for sure it would pay for the faker who slipped on your icy path.(premises medical payments and personal injury/premises liability) They just can't get all the chaff out of the wheat.

Now I'm not suggesting anything, but the interesting thing about replacement cost insurance is that even if your home is poorly built, when it is rebuilt after a major loss, assuming you bought enough insurance, you would likely have a much, much better built home. Sometimes they try to weasel word exclusions about not meeting new building codes but usually on a total loss that's not an issue.

the worst part about a home fire is what you lose in stuff that just can't be replaced. The pictures, all the stuff on your personal computer, maybe your pet...
so this winter, be extra safe. Let's keep this theoretical...
 
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#36  
Yeah I screwed up when I bought this place!you know! the old saying put lipstick on a pig, still a pig well its this house!. I bought this all because of the land 30 acres good wild life here everybody that comes here tell me its so peaceful here and there right it is. I spent 10 grand to demo the 1st floor I started by braking the walls and taking all the light batts out up and the joker uses R11 in the walls! well with a 2x4 out side wall I went with spray foam 2 1/2" in the walls new doors windows and still the temp not right! what I like to do is demolish this and get a pre fab better looking house up to date!. (just not happy with this house)
 
   / home owners insurance #37  
the worst part about a home fire is what you lose in stuff that just can't be replaced. The pictures, all the stuff on your personal computer, maybe your pet...
so this winter, be extra safe. Let's keep this theoretical...

Yep. Had a lot of tools that belonged to my Grandfather and Father. Also had items that my deceased Son had used. You can't insure that. Only thing worse would have been if I was uninsured and couldn't even replace the building. :(
 
   / home owners insurance #38  
We keep out new house insured, rate went from about $600 a year to north of $800 this year. Had to let the insurance expire on our old farm house and large bank barn, just too expense for simi-anual rates. All metal barn and house have stood for about 140 years so I take my chances. Government sez there is no inflation but I know better. Insurance is way up, property taxes way up, my meds went from $9 to $24 dollars for a 90 day supply. County is building a new $22 million dollar park about a quarter mile away that no one in my neighorhood will ever use. Only thing not going up is my retirement pay. Taxes and insurance are killing me!

mark
 
   / home owners insurance #39  
The home I was looking at was rated an 8 due to proximity... no longer insurable conventionally.

Mom had lost her homeowners when the company she had been with for decades pulled out of California... she was able to go with the auto club CSAA and it cost a little more... but no issues.

When there was a fire in the area... CSAA called and asked if we needed assistance... told them all was OK and no danger of fire... never had an insurance company call to offer assistance which included private fire fighters and/or moving and storage of valuables... pre-emptively.

When I mentioned some having to go with Lloyds... I was not exaggerating... you can be a mile out of town and your options evaporate...

Then there are homes with a single history of a water claim on the CLUE report and most companies are not interested...

California does offer FAIR plan for basic fire to meet lending standards... far cry from Homeowners...
 
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   / home owners insurance #40  
I spread my business between four companies and this includes the rentals and car collection...

I find it is worthwhile to have only one insurance company. With rentals, homeowner's, cars, trailers, umbrellas and DW's business liability, we have close to a dozen policies. There is a substantial discount for placing all of the policies through one agent, and when I call them up with a question they give me very good service.
 

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