E85 for American Fuel Independence !

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   / E85 for American Fuel Independence ! #361  
Yeah, it makes my point. Folks will pitch a fit about something and not realize that what they want to use is just as bad as what they are fighting against. With the outrage over water use for ethanol production, we should see rioting in the streets over the newspaper and magazine industry. After all, we don't need print media now that we have the internet, right? That is the type of argument that anti ethanol folks use... we don't need it since we are swimming in crude oil.

It does make my point that folks, when they don't like something, will dream up all kinds of ways to proclaim it is the most terrible thing that has befallen mankind and will lead to the earth's destruction without realizing it is barely a blip on the radar compared to other stuff they dismiss. At least not really any worse than the gasoline they buy. We make about 14 billion gallons of ethanol in this country annually, so that equates to 42 billion gallons of water annually (no schmism, not 100 billion gallons of water). We make about 8.923 million barrels a day of finished gasoline. Roughly 42 gallons per barrel. So each day, at 2 gallons of water per gallon of gasoline, we are using almost 750 million gallons of water per day just to make gasoline, or almost 274 billion gallons of water annually. Kinda of takes the air out of the ballon of the argument that ethanol production is such a water waster.

And what the stats don't show, is that even though it takes about 3 gallons of water to make a gallon of ethanol (actually that is old data as many ethanol operations are approaching a 2.33 gallons of water per gallon of ethanol), a lot of that water is recycled. So it is not as extreme as it might seem.

Good post, Fordman
 
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   / E85 for American Fuel Independence ! #362  
Congratulations, there may be hope yet and thanks for your service. I too served many years ago, but back then it wasn't necessarily voluntary, although mine was
 
   / E85 for American Fuel Independence ! #363  
Yeah, many in my unit were draftees, probably around 30%. I volunteered also. I just wanted to get away from home and it seemed like the best option at the time... until I got on a chartered DC-8 at Travis AFB along with only one other American serviceman, a UH-1 pilot going over for a 3rd tour, and a planeload of ARVN officers going back after training in the U.S. Was a rude awakening to reality.
 
   / E85 for American Fuel Independence ! #364  
When I went in in Jan '67, I'd guess that over 80% of those in basic training were drafted. In my entire company there were 6 of us who were RA, a few ER's and a few NG's. The vast majority were US's (Draftees).
 
   / E85 for American Fuel Independence ! #365  
The truth is in Vietnam, 85% volunteered, and only 15% were drafted. Back on topic, goodbye ethanol! Not even Iowa wants ethanol. HS
 
   / E85 for American Fuel Independence ! #368  
The Doctor I work with had military service explained to him.

He was told he could go in at the bottom or as an officer MD... either way was fine with Uncle Sam.

He decided to go in with rank and looking back said it was a good experience.

He hates ethanol to get back on topic.
 
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