Super Truckers Take Heed - f350 towing a supposedly 710JD Backhoe Fatality

[bcp]

Why do people want to pull heavy, commercial loads like that with a pickup when I see things like this on CL all the time?

This just happens to be the first one that came up just now.



Bruce

 

[newbury]

I saw a commercial with a Chevy Silverado 3500 towing a 27,000lb boat. Towing and stopping are a big difference.

He should have bought a Ram.....they say they can tow 30,000 pounds, LOL.

That towing capacity is a little less than half of an 18 wheeler . Thats borderline insane . Sure it can pull it , but can you stop it or control it in an emergency ? I dont think so .

Most manufactures include brakes now.

The pace of their work was glacial, but in April 2008 the SAE finally unveiled a voluntary standard known as SAE J2807: "Performance Requirements for Determining Tow-Vehicle Gross Combination Weight Rating and Trailer Weight Rating."

The new standard lays out minimum performance standards for acceleration, braking and handling. There are parking brake tests and grade-launch standards. The trailers used to conduct all such tests are spelled out specifically, and they must be ballasted and connected in a specific way.

And J2807 sets a minimum speed for the truck-trailer combination when climbing a specific mountain grade the so-called "Davis Dam" grade that climbs eastward out of the Colorado River valley at Laughlin, Nevada. Cooling systems must bear the strain of the 11-mile trip when the outside temperature is at least 100 degrees and the air-conditioner is set to full blast.

All the unrealistic test weight practices of the past that led to asterisks and fine print have been eliminated. Maximum tow ratings can no longer be based on a stripped base-model truck with a 150-pound driver traveling alone. Test trucks must now be equipped with popular options found on 33 percent (or more) of the configuration being tested. The 150-pound test driver is now accompanied by a 150-pound passenger.

Unsteady Rollout
Toyota was the first to begin certifying vehicles to the new standard beginning in the 2011 model year. It went all-in, too. Every model in the Toyota lineup has been rated according to J2807 since then.

Meanwhile, the Detroit Three dragged their feet. They initially agreed to start using the standard beginning with the 2013 model year, but for the most part that milestone came and went.

It became a game of who would blink first. Ford stated that it would adopt J2807 on new vehicles beginning in 2013 when each model underwent its next full redesign. It soon became obvious that Ram and GM were waiting for the new 2015 Ford F-150 before they acted.

The 2015 Ford-F-150 is now on sale, and its tow ratings are indeed certified to the J2807 standard. Ram and GM 1500-series pickup trucks were certified to SAE J2807 as soon as it was clear that Ford was going to follow through.

Nissan is the only holdout in the so-called "half-ton" pickup segment, but a new Titan is just around the corner.

Heavy-Duty Hodgepodge
Heavy-Duty pickup tow ratings are still in flux. The first published version of J2807 caused arguments that led to an immediate revision that exempted most of them. But a new draft version now covers pickups with Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings as high as 14,000 pounds, which brings them back in again.

Ram has certified its 2014 and 2015 Ram 2500 and 3500 products to J2807, but General Motors has not done the same with its 2015 Chevrolet and GMC 2500 and 3500 HD models.

Ford went ahead and certified the 2015 F-450's tow rating using J2807 because of its upgraded engine and substantially upgraded underpinnings. But it decided not to do the same with the carryover F-250 and F-350 lineups, which will be fully redesigned next year.

from Edmunds Note that means 2016 Ford F350 should be with the new standard.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

Tow capacity of 2016 F350 w/ diesel is up to 26,500, GCWR up to 35,000 2016 Ford Super Duty | View Towing Specifications | Ford.com

Your are still 3 tons short at a minimum. I really don't care what the big three say the trucks can pull, if the brakes aren't 100% things are going south in a hurry. It's just the nature of dealing with electric brakes. Atleast with air, the parking brakes start coming on if you lose air pressure.

 

[HHR]

I wonder what brake failure killed both truck hyd and e brake, and trailer brakes. Before I'd flip and hurt others I'd be downshifting.. You can replace a trans. Heck, lots of options to get some drag in an emergency..

I have been pondering the result of a new diesel pickup losing electrical power. Would engine continue to run? Transmission downshift? Does hydroboost brake system have some type of reserve hydraulic accumulator to give you one final stop? The parking brake on these trucks wouldn't do much to slow down a 40,000K rig going down a grade.

 

[bdog]

The 710 is a huge backhoe. I have a 310 and won't pull it behind my dually but I see people pull them all the time. I haul it with the dump truck or the semi.

 

[tcartwri]

It doesn't matter what combination you're driving. If you carry too much momentum and glaze the brakes you are going to be in trouble.

 

[bdog]

It doesn't matter what combination you're driving. If you carry too much momentum and glaze the brakes you are going to be in trouble.

That's true but big rigs are equipped to handle those situations. Last big hill I went down I grossed around 65k and just selected the right gear and let the Jakes do the work. Didn't touch the brakes once. The problem with a pickup is the brakes are barely adequate to begin with and while some have exhaust brakes like my GMC dually they don't work as well as they do on a class 8.

 

[joefromga]

I think people do it because it's so much trouble to get a cdl.

There is a farm exemption class E or F in my state but only good for 150 miles from the farm.

There should be an intermediate class for non commercial or at least something that's less involved than a full cdl course.

 

[powerstroke444e]

I think people do it because it's so much trouble to get a cdl.

There is a farm exemption class E or F in my state but only good for 150 miles from the farm.

There should be an intermediate class for non commercial or at least something that's less involved than a full cdl course.

The reason you need a cdl is hopefully if your smart enough to get a cdl you will not do stupid deadly crap like this.

 

[Ron50]

Trailer is supposed to do 60% of the braking. 60/40 valve on air systems. Willing to bet that wasn't the case here.