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   / New to Raised Bed Gardening #41  
Like you, I have a ton of dead ash. But what are you going to do to keep that ash from rotting away if its got direct ground contact?

That looks really good though!
 
   / New to Raised Bed Gardening #42  
2ndhalf, A bit late in chiming in, but here are two extracts from a book I wrote:-


On a very small scale you can use a shelter the same width as your garden beds if you follow the method of narrow bed gardening that is described towards the end of the Chapter entitled æ’¤reparing to Eat and Drink? The hens then manure the beds automatically. A run in front of the night shelter will let the hens have some freedom and help clear up weed growth at the same time. With such a system, and moving the unit daily, you can ignore the stocking density and give them maybe only one square yard of run each, but it is only practical to do this with very small numbers and fairly long garden beds because it is a labour intensive system. I would, in this case collect the eggs from outside the house, which I would keep very low, or even ark shaped. I would put the roosts furthest away from the pop hole exit to the open run, and across the line of the bed. This way the droppings would be clear of the shed and across the full width of the bed every time the shed was moved forward.


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I prefer a system of long narrow beds for vegetables rather than the conventional block idea. I like these beds to be narrow enough for me to straddle comfortably. As I have grown older this width has reduced from 4 feet to three and a half, and is likely to become narrower in the future. There are those that say you merely need to be able to reach the middle of the bed from the path on either side (including Cato in reference to an Asparagus bed, so these narrow beds are not a modern invention as many people believe) and that is fine if it suits you, but I have found that it is easier to be precise with the placing of seeds, thereby saving thinning time if I can straddle the bed when sowing. It also saves seed, but most seeds are extremely cheap compared with the price of a mature vegetable. If you are vertically disadvantaged as they say nowadays, and have short legs, you might well find that the distance you can comfortably straddle would give you too small an area of beds and you might have no alternative but to work from each side to the middle. Even four feet wide beds are too narrow for a wind pollinated crop like sweetcorn so if you use them for such crops you need to sow seed in at least two adjoining beds to assist pollination. I like the paths between the beds to be two and a half feet. I find this width comfortable to work with plenty of room to walk up and down, push a wheelbarrow, or handle a hoe. It also means that plants can be close to the edges of the beds and allowed to encroach on to the pathways. Other people like different widths, many advocating only two feet for the paths, or even a foot and a half. Again, personal preference is the guideline.

I like the idea of raising the beds, and although I have never edged them on the premise that edging is a harbour for slugs and snails, I might well do so as I get older and raise the beds quite high so that I do not have to bend so far to reach soil level. If you have a physical disability then this idea might also be beneficial for you, but edging beds could be a problem if you do not rigidly stick to the notion of not cultivating them, because you might be restricted to climbing on to them and hand digging, or risk running a garden cultivator up a ramp to them and possibly damaging the edging or having an accident. I find that within a couple of seasons the beds I use are slightly higher than the paths and convex shaped. If possible I cultivate with a graip from the paths. The beds are normally not walked upon so the soil does not become too compacted and they should be capable of being worked at almost any time of the year from the paths, although poorer quality land, or new beds may need the old-fashioned spade digging method. Cropping density can be extremely high and plant spacing juggled to provide the size of vegetable you need. You can even buy varieties of some vegetables that have been developed to suit this close spacing production, providing perhaps just two servings per plant.

I sometimes use the tractor to give the beds a quick stir up if a few of them need it at the same time, and the wide paths mean that the tractor wheels run on the paths. You have to make sure your tractor wheels are correctly spaced, of course, and your implement width correct. Removing some of the outside tines on a scarifier should suit, and that is what I do. You do need slightly more than the tractor length at one end of the beds if you intend to do this otherwise you cannot work the beds without running over them with the tractor. Obviously you could cultivate the beds whenever you want if you have cultivating equipment of the same width. The tractor with scarifier attached is extremely quick and gives a really good depth of cultivation.

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Hope they help. As for depth, go as deep as possible, or build the beds as high as possible. The more volume the roots of your plants have the better they will perform.
 
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#43  
Like you, I have a ton of dead ash. But what are you going to do to keep that ash from rotting away if its got direct ground contact?

That looks really good though!

Good point and I fully expect them to rot away... I just don't know how long that will take. When it does I will rebuild them and may even use different material at that point or just use more wood. Not sure but I will worry about that later. It isn't like it is a chore; not for me anyways, I love doing that stuff and gives a good excuse to get the tractor out and go to the woods :thumbsup: I am just happy to find that there are free options out there every other option was $300 - $500 for material for the size and number of beds I want to build.
 
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#44  
2ndhalf, A bit late in chiming in, but here are two extracts from a book I wrote:-


On a very small scale you can use a shelter the same width as your garden beds if you follow the method of narrow bed gardening that is described towards the end of the Chapter entitled æ’¤reparing to Eat and Drink? The hens then manure the beds automatically. A run in front of the night shelter will let the hens have some freedom and help clear up weed growth at the same time. With such a system, and moving the unit daily, you can ignore the stocking density and give them maybe only one square yard of run each, but it is only practical to do this with very small numbers and fairly long garden beds because it is a labour intensive system. I would, in this case collect the eggs from outside the house, which I would keep very low, or even ark shaped. I would put the roosts furthest away from the pop hole exit to the open run, and across the line of the bed. This way the droppings would be clear of the shed and across the full width of the bed every time the shed was moved forward.


...................................................................................


I prefer a system of long narrow beds for vegetables rather than the conventional block idea. I like these beds to be narrow enough for me to straddle comfortably. As I have grown older this width has reduced from 4 feet to three and a half, and is likely to become narrower in the future. There are those that say you merely need to be able to reach the middle of the bed from the path on either side (including Cato in reference to an Asparagus bed, so these narrow beds are not a modern invention as many people believe) and that is fine if it suits you, but I have found that it is easier to be precise with the placing of seeds, thereby saving thinning time if I can straddle the bed when sowing. It also saves seed, but most seeds are extremely cheap compared with the price of a mature vegetable. If you are vertically disadvantaged as they say nowadays, and have short legs, you might well find that the distance you can comfortably straddle would give you too small an area of beds and you might have no alternative but to work from each side to the middle. Even four feet wide beds are too narrow for a wind pollinated crop like sweetcorn so if you use them for such crops you need to sow seed in at least two adjoining beds to assist pollination. I like the paths between the beds to be two and a half feet. I find this width comfortable to work with plenty of room to walk up and down, push a wheelbarrow, or handle a hoe. It also means that plants can be close to the edges of the beds and allowed to encroach on to the pathways. Other people like different widths, many advocating only two feet for the paths, or even a foot and a half. Again, personal preference is the guideline.

I like the idea of raising the beds, and although I have never edged them on the premise that edging is a harbour for slugs and snails, I might well do so as I get older and raise the beds quite high so that I do not have to bend so far to reach soil level. If you have a physical disability then this idea might also be beneficial for you, but edging beds could be a problem if you do not rigidly stick to the notion of not cultivating them, because you might be restricted to climbing on to them and hand digging, or risk running a garden cultivator up a ramp to them and possibly damaging the edging or having an accident. I find that within a couple of seasons the beds I use are slightly higher than the paths and convex shaped. If possible I cultivate with a graip from the paths. The beds are normally not walked upon so the soil does not become too compacted and they should be capable of being worked at almost any time of the year from the paths, although poorer quality land, or new beds may need the old-fashioned spade digging method. Cropping density can be extremely high and plant spacing juggled to provide the size of vegetable you need. You can even buy varieties of some vegetables that have been developed to suit this close spacing production, providing perhaps just two servings per plant.

I sometimes use the tractor to give the beds a quick stir up if a few of them need it at the same time, and the wide paths mean that the tractor wheels run on the paths. You have to make sure your tractor wheels are correctly spaced, of course, and your implement width correct. Removing some of the outside tines on a scarifier should suit, and that is what I do. You do need slightly more than the tractor length at one end of the beds if you intend to do this otherwise you cannot work the beds without running over them with the tractor. Obviously you could cultivate the beds whenever you want if you have cultivating equipment of the same width. The tractor with scarifier attached is extremely quick and gives a really good depth of cultivation.

..............................................

Hope they help. As for depth, go as deep as possible, or build the beds as high as possible. The more volume the roots of your plants have the better they will perform.

Good info.. how can I get my hands on your book? I am planning on doing narrow beds, how long do you consider long? Narrow to me is 4'.. I am not vertically challenged 6'4" with long arms. I am thinking of doing 16' or 20' long beds leaving them open on the ends to drive either my tractor or tiller through the bed if I choose to each year. I am saying all of this but since I have never done it I very well may change it all up a lot. This is just what I'm thinking.. I am actully about a half hour from finishing this coffee and going and putting the chain on my saw (came off last time I was running it) and getting started today.
 
   / New to Raised Bed Gardening #45  
For watering, they used commercial drip systems. I've tried what's available and Home Depot and Lowes with poor results. Now I'm going to try drillng holes in half inch PVC pipe and laying it on top of the dirt, the length of the bed. Two rows of pipe is where I will start out and see how it works. My long term plan is to have a 2,500 gallon water tank that drains into my beds. I will fill it from my pond using a solar pump during the day, then drain it every night. It's a big project, but once done, should be all automatic.

Eddie, I'm a licensed irrigator so have some background in this and I can save you some time. What you want to do with your PVC pipe won't work well on anything but a very short run. What will happen is that you'll end up with a lot of water at the beginning of the pipe and almost none at the end. The drip line used in landscape and agricultural irrigation has regulated emitters to solve this problem, insuring that you get the same amount of water from an emitter at the beginning of the run as you do from the end. I would suggest looking at RainBird XFD-09-12 (.9 GPH emitters on 12" spacing) or something in the Agrifim line if you'd prefer flat drip tape. You want a low flow, pressure regulated valve, something like the RainBird XCZ100PRF for smaller systems (up to about 500' of drip line). Larger setups can use regular valves without the pressure regulation but you still want about a 75 micron filter screen to prevent clogging of the emitters internally.

Installation should look like this (ignore the x's, they're just for proper spacing)-


Valve
|PVC Pipe
|
|------Drip line--------|
|------Drip line--------|
|------Drip line--------|
|------Drip line--------|
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx|PVC Pipe
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Drain/flush valve

I like RainBird products (it's probably apparent) but they do have a good guide on the fundamentals of drip here - http://www.rainbird.com/documents/drip/XFSeriesDesignGuide.pdf. Netafim has a pretty good guide as well - http://www.netafimusa.com/files/lit...pperline/LTLCVDG-Techline-CV-Design-Guide.pdf.
 
   / New to Raised Bed Gardening #46  
STx,

Thanks, I've wondered about that and was going to do some practice runs using a buckets for my water source and see what happens at the raised beds. I'm really set on using a large water tank for my water supply, which means it will have to be all gravity fed from the tank to the beds.

I've also thought about a flood type irrigation where the pipe goes to the bed and then the water flows out and to the plants. If that doesn't work, maybe a combination of multiple points that I can restrict with smaller openings at the beginning and larger at the end.

For me, it's really not much of an option to go with anything commercial since they all require water pressure to work. I will have the free water in the tank. How to distribute it is where it gets interesting.
 
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#47  
I think those upright logs look awesome. If they last, it will be a very nice looking garden. How will you lock them together?

I bought some 14 gauge galvanized wire at lowes yesterday. I'm going bo bury the borrom 6" into a trench I'm going to dig with tractor and just fasten the tops by wrapping them with the wire. Don't know if it will work yet, but it seems like it would. I will probably have about 3 or 4 steel fence posts on the inside of the wood to keep the wood from falling away from the bed if I go through the bed on my tractor.. not sure about this though.
 
   / New to Raised Bed Gardening #48  
Good point and I fully expect them to rot away... I just don't know how long that will take.

I think you'll be lucky to get 3-4 years out of them. If you'll cover the exposed end on the top with something waterproof (like a row of roofing shingles), you'll add another year or two.
 
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#49  
I think you'll be lucky to get 3-4 years out of them. If you'll cover the exposed end on the top with something waterproof (like a row of roofing shingles), you'll add another year or two.

Yeh, was thinking about 3-4 years myself.. I'll take that.
 
   / New to Raised Bed Gardening #50  
STx,

Thanks, I've wondered about that and was going to do some practice runs using a buckets for my water source and see what happens at the raised beds. I'm really set on using a large water tank for my water supply, which means it will have to be all gravity fed from the tank to the beds.

I've also thought about a flood type irrigation where the pipe goes to the bed and then the water flows out and to the plants. If that doesn't work, maybe a combination of multiple points that I can restrict with smaller openings at the beginning and larger at the end.

For me, it's really not much of an option to go with anything commercial since they all require water pressure to work. I will have the free water in the tank. How to distribute it is where it gets interesting.

Why not just go directly from the solar pump to the beds and skip the tank?

You can get the pressure you need with the tank from elevation but if your solar pump can pump it that high, it would make sense to just skip the tank altogether.

You could also use soaker line, it'll have the same problem as the PVC but not nearly as bad, especially with a very low pressure system. Whatever you do though, make sure you filter the water before it hits what you put in the beds.
 

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