Ford F150-I'm Done.

[dodge man]

Look in the beds of the Toyota's, thats where I've seen two of them with rust problems. The truck looks solid but it looks to me like where the frame and bed meet is the problem area.

 

[TSO]

Look in the beds of the Toyota's, thats where I've seen two of them with rust problems. The truck looks solid but it looks to me like where the frame and bed meet is the problem area.

If any truck has had THAT issue, it's been Ford SuperDuty trucks, especially late 90's thru 2000's. I've got many friends with that specific issue, cross members rusting.

 

[roadhunter]

My 2001 F150 Lariat worked really well and was dependable - except for cylinder coils which started failing around 70k miles - one at a time. I got rid of it only because its tow capability was lower than what I needed. When I traded it in, it was sold before I signed the paper on my replacement truck. Ford makes good trucks, but no truck is perfect for everything. However, when a person wants a specific ability or feature, there is a "perfect" truck for them - unless one wants 50 MPG.

The old VW's would get 50 mpg.


The modern euro version.


I'd settle for a mid sized pickup that gets a legitimate 30mpg in town and better on the highway. I was planning to look into buying one of the Mahindra trucks if they ever got released here.
http://www.infexia.club/pics/mahindra/mahindra-scorpio-pick-up/mahindra-scorpio-pick-up-01.jpg

 

[Red Horse]

Boy-am I glad I found this thread. Time to sell my Ford stock, And wait till the 700,000 people who Bought F series this year find out!

Oh and my Ecoboost Taurus? Now THAT is a POS. Been back to the dealer once in 83,000 miles- battery failed and I could not believe that a battery in this day and age would fail!

Bottom line-you build 700,000 trucks s year? Guaranteed you will find some vehicles that statistically are just going to have their share of problems.

If Ford has a problem-and this is probably true of GM and FCA as well- they spend too much money paying people to say "no" to warranty adjustments when the Japanese in particular step up to the plate and honor the claim. It would be interesting to see how much money Ford, GM and FCA spend administering their warranty programs-vs say Toyota, Honda etc.

Case in point, neighbor of mine had a Tacoma that he bought new. Got a notice about frame issue so dropped it off at dealer. Dealer calls him up and tells him he can't have truck back. Bottom line he got I think 13,000 on a plain jane Tacoma with I think 80,000 miles and I don't think had EVER been washed! He rewarded Toyota by replacing with a Subaru Forrester!

 

[Btown]

The old VW's would get 50 mpg.
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The modern euro version.
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I'd settle for a mid sized pickup that gets a legitimate 30mpg in town and better on the highway. I was planning to look into buying one of the Mahindra trucks if they ever got released here.
http://www.infexia.club/pics/mahindra/mahindra-scorpio-pick-up/mahindra-scorpio-pick-up-01.jpg

The Mahindra trucks were related around 20-22 mpg highway by the EPA. Not very good. Probably had some part in why they were never brought here.

 

[ClaySlayer]

All brands are great until they break. My last two vehicles have been Fords (2011 F150 w/5.0 & now a 2016 F150 wth 3.5 EB) and at this point I have no reason to change that trend on the next one. Before that I had GMs. Never really had any major problems with either brand.

 

[Red Horse]

All brands are great until they break. My last two vehicles have been Fords (2011 F150 w/5.0 & now a 2016 F150 wth 3.5 EB) and at this point I have no reason to change that trend on the next one. Before that I had GMs. Never really had any major problems with either brand.

Agree with thought-all of them today are much better vehicles than they ever were. I think it boils down to owner loyalty and what you were brought up with. I'm a Ford guy. As a little kid hung out in one of the uncles heavy truck shop. and they talked about what "He" was going to do next-the "He" being Henry II.

Now you look at Toyota and Nissans attempts to break into the big pick up market with let's face it-minimal success. But look at the households today that have nothing but foreign brand cars in the yard. Think kids brought up in those households will have any loyalty to Blue Oval, or Bow tie or Mopar? I'm afraid not.

Now if any of my kids drive in my yard in a 'yota they are out of the will!:laughing:

 

[ovrszd]

Agree with thought-all of them today are much better vehicles than they ever were. I think it boils down to owner loyalty and what you were brought up with. I'm a Ford guy. As a little kid hung out in one of the uncles heavy truck shop. and they talked about what "He" was going to do next-the "He" being Henry II.

Now you look at Toyota and Nissans attempts to break into the big pick up market with let's face it-minimal success. But look at the households today that have nothing but foreign brand cars in the yard. Think kids brought up in those households will have any loyalty to Blue Oval, or Bow tie or Mopar? I'm afraid not.

Now if any of my kids drive in my yard in a 'yota they are out of the will!:laughing:

Well stated.

I think another thing that has affected the truck market is that a very high percentage of the purchases are never used as a "truck". Oh they might go to Home Depot and haul a few boards or a few bags of Quickrete, but never a LOAD of anything and the heaviest thing they'll pull is a camper trailer or a boat. That has allowed Toyota and Nissan to squeeze into the market. I think they build great light trucks as do the Big Three. And this thread is about this type of truck. I can never see myself buying a 1/2T truck. I have no use for one.

 

[TSO]

Well stated.

I think another thing that has affected the truck market is that a very high percentage of the purchases are never used as a "truck". Oh they might go to Home Depot and haul a few boards or a few bags of Quickrete, but never a LOAD of anything and the heaviest thing they'll pull is a camper trailer or a boat. That has allowed Toyota and Nissan to squeeze into the market. I think they build great light trucks as do the Big Three. And this thread is about this type of truck. I can never see myself buying a 1/2T truck. I have no use for one.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean on this post... ?

When the Tundra redesign occurred in 2007, it completely changed the playing field for 1/2 ton trucks. That was the first time a 1/2 ton came standard with 381hp/401tq (or anywhere close to it) and offered a standard 6-spd auto. It was much stronger (for that segment) as a towing vehicle due to that powertrain. It forced Ford to run to the drawing tables and phase out the fairly reliable but underpowered modular engines (4.6 & 5.4... And I had the 5.4 in my 04 F150, it was a dog)...

Since the Tundra's entry, look at the way that the big three changed their powertrains to compete.... And we're all better for it now as consumers.

I agree that most 1/2 ton truck owners don't use their trucks anywhere near their capacity.

Regarding sales numbers... I think it has much more to do with brand loyalty and xenophobia than any other factor. Many people can't even be objective enough to recognize that, for example, the Tundra is designed in Ann Arbor, Mi and built in Texas (formerly Indiana) with as many or more domestic parts content than the other trucks in the segment. I think Toyota's marketing department dropped the ball by not advertising that fact, instead of their overly gratuitous commercials (climbing a circulator ramp with fire shooting everywhere LOL) at the time.

Speaking of gratuitous advertising... This was a pretty eye opening wake up call for the 1/2 ton segment back in 2007 (assuming that the trucks were actually "comparatively equipped" as stated):

Tundra versus the Competition (full version) - YouTube

 

[Shaneard]

I don't care what kind of truck, tractor, bicycle, boat or lawn mower you have they will all have trouble..........someday.