Winches Getting Your Kubota Out of Mud / Snow While Working Alone

   / Getting Your Kubota Out of Mud / Snow While Working Alone #51  
Yes, the Kubota site lists all MX5800's as 4WD. I think that with good ice chains and a blade on the FEL or a frame mount blade, you should very seldom have to worry about being stuck. Its a 60 hp tractor, weighs 3735 pound and with the backhoe attached or weighted rear tires should almost be unstoppable. With the increased traction of ice chains you can plow from the top down and use gravity as an assist to plowing.
 
   / Getting Your Kubota Out of Mud / Snow While Working Alone #52  
With the backhoe mounted there should be the ability to shift the tractor in any direction with use of the backhoe functions.o

Of course the OP may be seeing things much different than myself. I have not sat in his seat and his money is not mine to spend!
 
   / Getting Your Kubota Out of Mud / Snow While Working Alone #53  
Consider getting a "rope puller" - a relatively inexpensive and fairly lightweight (7 pounds/ less than $100) extraction tool:
Rope Pullers - Maasdam
That, and a 100-150' hank (about 14-21 pounds/$100-200) of 5/8" double braid polyester rope should get you out of most pickles:
DOUBLE BRAID POLYESTER ROPE
Note: that's polyester; not polypropylene. Polyester is almost as strong as nylon, but doesn't stretch nearly as much, so snap back isn't as much of a risk. Biggest challenge is finding a place to stow it on the tractor. A nylon duffel, slung over the ROPS might do the job.

-Jim
 
   / Getting Your Kubota Out of Mud / Snow While Working Alone
  • Thread Starter
#54  
OK, got it. That helps a lot. Of course making very helpful/half-way usable comments from the peanut gallery out here is not so well guaranteed at best. I assume, as someone else did, that you are mostly using the FEL for the snow removal. I will say if I had over a mile of driveway to clear I would definitely be using a good front blade or blower. I lean towards a blade in your case because it is a LOT cheaper than a front blower and a mile or more is too far to be backing up with a rear blower, at least with my stiff neck. [I use a rear blower in WV mountains.] You probably do not have a mid PTO on the BX5800 and even if you did the front blower is expensive. Also, I know you got dumped on this year with a huge snowfall but how often do your really get that much ? (e.g. enough to justify a large blower.) You should be able to use any of several available blades with hydraulic angle using a third function up front on the loader frame. To me that is better than a blower for a gravel base road. Secondly, with a loader mounted blade you can plow downhill, not up hill, and let gravity help you. Going however slow you need to, you should be able to avoid the ditches better in that mode. Shove the snow into those convenient deep ditches ! You need seriously aggressive chains on all fours when the ice is there as the other guys have thoroughly stated and illustrated. With frequent ice and/or ice under snow I'd spring for the double priced chains with spikes or at least v's. My guess is (and I think you pretty much said) that getting in the ditch is mostly a result of loss of traction, in effect spinning into the ditch. That goes away if you are going DOWN hill with a front blade. That also means starting out from the house instead of trying to wade to the far end and then going uphill. That first trip down hill after a big snow probably packs snow and make the trip back up much worse too. Extracting the tractor from a bad or stuck situation goes away this way, I think. You'll no longer be worrying about how to extract it & if you have to back up hill occasionally that should not be a problem. I disagree with leonz approach of going to a smaller 2370 or something that size. Bigger is better in my opinion. You already have the better machine. Better clearance, more room for chains, better power, more weight on the chains on the ice, and able to handle more snow per pass. I think if you go this route your need for winches will be forgotten (though maybe not the need for wenches...) Also, the front blade route allows you to keep the backhoe on the tractor if you want to. Good ballast I'd call it.

Pardon the lengthy post. I was trying to avoid writing a novel here but from all the questions, I think more information is necessary. My main concern is getting stuck in snow. When working in mud, I always have the BH and can usually "crab" my way out of trouble. Here in PA's Pocono Mountains, we get an average of 55" of snow annually although not so much in the last few years. I always use my pickup and plow to clear as much of the road as I can. (Yes, I get that stuck too) Fortunately, I live at the top of the hill and can use gravity to assist. After the third or fourth significant storm of the season or a major one like the 30 incher we just had, the ditches fill with plowed snow and the pickup plow can't push the new snow over the built up snow bank. It just slides back down and the road gets down to a narrow single lane.

The road is shared by 8 other families so there is a lot of traffic. To anticipate the next question, NO, not a **** one of them will lift a finger to help! That however is another story. When the banks get too high and the road too narrow, maybe 2 or 3 times a season, I use the FEL bucket to pile and a 74" rear mount snowthrower to blow the banks back. I'd love to have the BH but I need the 3pt for the snowthrower.

With the roads high crown and the deep drainage ditches filled with packed snow, it's not always easy to judge how close you are to the center of the ditch. The tires ride on the packed snow until the weight of the tractor causes them to "break through" and presto, I'm stuck. This usually happens when using the snowthrower parallel to the bank. I have better luck working with the FEL bucket pushing the snow back at an angle to the bank. The reach of the bucket usually keeps me out of trouble but not always. It also takes the better part of 2 days to push the banks back with a 6' bucket on both sides of a 1.5 mile road. Yes, there is a lot of equipment out there that would better handle this situation but the frequency of the problem, to me, doesn't justify spending a lot of $$. There is also the hope I'll get a new neighbor who is willing to help.

I've been doing this for over 30 years now and I'm still learning new tricks. In the past, I used an 8' FEL mounted plow on an older tractor which worked quite well. I kept the BH on for ballast and could use it to pull myself clear when stuck. The wider plow gave me better reach but unfortunately, the side pressure of the wide blade broke the welds on the FEL frame. At the time, the dealer told me the FEL wasn't designed for that kind of work. That's when I started using the snowthrower. I started another post here recently about this issue and it appears that many are using FEL plows now with no problem. I might try one again as a partial solution to my current issue.

Anyway, I want to thank everyone for all the ideas and suggestions. I didn't think I'd get this many responses and I apologize again for the long winded post.
 
   / Getting Your Kubota Out of Mud / Snow While Working Alone #55  
Do not apologize ! These things are fun trying to put ourselves in your shoes.
 
   / Getting Your Kubota Out of Mud / Snow While Working Alone #56  
Ahh-- more clarity to the situation.

Perhaps consider a rear mounted winch. Either electric or hydraulic.

More aggressive chains may help but it would seem you have a free spinning wheel in most of the stuck situations.

A rear wheel track system may be a consideration but cost??

As a trial checking for response park your vehicles at the bottom and use all terrain vehicle for the back and forth to your house. Could get interesting?
 
   / Getting Your Kubota Out of Mud / Snow While Working Alone
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#57  
I'll keep my eye out for a hyd. winch that I can place on front or rear as required. I've seen them in the $1300 range.

I've considered going "on strike" after a storm and have purposely waited a few times to clear the road. The phone always rings and I have to get out myself at some point so I wind up clearing the road eventually. After 30+ years, I guess I'm used to it and so, unfortunately, are the neighbors.
 
   / Getting Your Kubota Out of Mud / Snow While Working Alone #58  
You described the problem well at the outset, then you described it better. There is no easy remedy.

The problem as I see it ...

  • You have difficult traction issues (ice over snow)
  • Gravity amplifies the problem (crown of the road and deep ditches)
  • You are alone
  • It takes considerable force to extricate your tractor
  • Front of tractor is occupied by loader and rear by snowblower

I think that's why no simple solutions have surfaced. I did like the concept of a hydraulic ram run off your remotes and attached to a stationary object. You would need relatively long stroke for it to work efficiently and a big enough bore to generate enough force. How much ## line pull do you think you will need?

Another idea (unencumbered by human thought) is the thought of a chainsaw winch attached to a snatch strap. It loads the strap with pull and then you get on the tractor to use its force (vs winching a dead weight). I'm not saying it is a good idea - just an idea.

BTW, I should have added to my list you might be doing this in the dark :worried:
 
   / Getting Your Kubota Out of Mud / Snow While Working Alone #59  
Yeah, my hydraulic ram run off of remotes idea will work, but it is slow, and will work a heck of a lot faster with 2 people than 1 guy getting off and on a tractor or at least going back to the remote valve, and then back to the front or back to hook and unhook chains. I really like the idea of not sliding off in the ditch in the first place, and if some more aggressive chains would prevent that, then that would be the way to go.
 

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