Round UP Fears

[Msamt]

2 years cured of Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. I'll never touch the stuff again.

 

[coobie]

My dad used to throw old oil on our gravel driveway after changing oil in our tractors,cars,trucks to keep the dust down.We are still alive today.How did we survive?

 

[roadhunter]

Of course, the good side is the fact that world is being fed. I'm not paranoid; there's not been a huge increase in cancers or genetic defects.

We can feed ourselves without all the chemicals big ag uses. We will slowly find out the truth in the coming years and find that there are long term effects for all the short sighted decisions that were made in the name of big ag profit.

 

[roadhunter]

My dad used to throw old oil on our gravel driveway after changing oil in our tractors,cars,trucks to keep the dust down.We are still alive today.How did we survive?

Just because grandpa did it that way doesn't mean it's the best way.

You still copying my LAffin or did you finally stop?

 

[FredH]

My dad used to throw old oil on our gravel driveway after changing oil in our tractors,cars,trucks to keep the dust down.We are still alive today.How did we survive?

Pretty much My thought . My Dad did that for years on our driveway . His well is only 20' from driveway and it is a shallow well . Water table is around 26' , jet / venturi is right at 30' . From the time I was able to remember , maybe around 6 or so , up until is was banned , My Dad used DDT on everything . He would dust the strawberry field in the evening after work and next morning , We would peak strawberries in a bowl , fill bowl with water , drain water , slice strawberries into Our corn flakes for breakfast . My Dad passed 3 years ago at the age of 89+ . No Cancer , No alzhiemers or other , just age . I am the youngest at 57 , with zero ailments as are all the rest of my siblings . Local goverment use to contract to have crop duster's spray fields to lower mosquito populatons . Use to stand outside and fill the spray land on bare arms and head , but it was cool to see the dusters flying .
Difference is DDT was a insecticide while roundup is a herbicide . Agent orange was a herbicide also , used in Vietnam . While some developed issue's , Cancer , etc.. , others who had direct contact with it developed no problems , even though they were in contact virtually every day for their entire tour ?????

Now do I drink round up , NO . Use common sense were and how much I spray . Watch wind drift , so it does not effect other plants I want kept . I mean , I put gasoline in My pickup and it , if spilled , is very bad for the enviroment , But I don't go around drinking that either .

My take is 2 words I used earlier " Common Sense " . Unfortunately , Today's Society seems to have forgot that critical skill , To buried into their smart phones to look were they are walking .

Fred H.

 

[zoedog2012]

My Dad sprayed trees as a sideline, mostly large Elm trees. I helped him by keeping the spray hose out of flower beds etc. Dad lived to almost 95, I can still see him with his straw hat, leather gloves, no mask spraying DDT and Black Leaf 40 into 50 foot high Elms and the spray raining down on him and me. Wonder if he would still be alive today if he didn't have his spray job? I'm 73, will I make it to 95?

 

[tcreeley]

One of those things. My brother died of brain cancer at 62. Otherwise he was active and doing well. Chemicals and crap in our environment - it takes a toll. Cancer is all around us. Anything to save a buck, make a buck.

 

[CincyFlyer]

One of those things. My brother died of brain cancer at 62. Otherwise he was active and doing well. Chemicals and crap in our environment - it takes a toll. Cancer is all around us. Anything to save a buck, make a buck.

And yet it could have been a single cosmic particle-not preventable unless you want to live deep underground-that caused a single mutation in a single cell in your brother's brain.
We, as a society, certainly tend to over-use stuff (DDT nearly wiped out the bald eagle population, but it's perfectly safe if not overused), and be afraid of things that aren't really an issue (if you don't smoke and don't sunbathe you've eliminated two real nasties, but some folks do both and end up as 90-year-old brown wrinkly bags.)

 

[Barry 1]

 

[teg]

Finally patched the crack in the spray tank that would otherwise rain RoundUp down my crack... I would say I've about bathed in the stuff. We'll see how long I live... Seen my boss put his whole arm into a large tank of RoundUp to see if the bottom suction hose was clogged or not. It wasn't...

 

[Complete Turf Care]

Below is from this recent study of the World Health Organization released in May of 2016 http://www.who.int/foodsafety/jmprsummary2016.pdf?ua=1


Glyphosate is a broad-spectrum systemic herbicide. Several epidemiological studies on cancer
outcomes following occupational exposure to glyphosate were available. The evaluation of these
studies focused on the occurrence of NHL. Overall, there is some evidence of a positive association
between glyphosate exposure and risk of NHL from the case膨ontrol studies and the overall metaanalysis.
However, it is notable that the only large cohort study of high quality found no evidence of
an association at any exposure level. Glyphosate has been extensively tested for genotoxic effects
using a variety of tests in a wide range of organisms. The overall weight of evidence indicates that
administration of glyphosate and its formulation products at doses as high as 2000 mg/kg body weight
by the oral route, the route most relevant to human dietary exposure, was not associated with
genotoxic effects in an overwhelming majority of studies conducted in mammals, a model considered
to be appropriate for assessing genotoxic risks to humans. The Meeting concluded that glyphosate is
unlikely to be genotoxic at anticipated dietary exposures. Several carcinogenicity studies in mice and
rats are available. The Meeting concluded that glyphosate is not carcinogenic in rats but could not
exclude the possibility that it is carcinogenic in mice at very high doses. In view of the absence of
carcinogenic potential in rodents at human-relevant doses and the absence of genotoxicity by the oral
route in mammals, and considering the epidemiological evidence from occupational exposures, the
Meeting concluded that glyphosate is unlikely to pose a carcinogenic risk to humans from exposure
through the diet. The Meeting reaffirmed the group ADI for the sum of glyphosate and its metabolites
of 0? mg/kg body weight on the basis of effects on the salivary gland. The Meeting concluded that it
was not necessary to establish an ARfD for glyphosate or its metabolites in view of its low acute
toxicity.

And this article from Snopes.

Monsanto Suppressing Evidence of Cancerous Herbicide in Food?

And below is from page 160 of this article http://www.msal.gob.ar/agroquimicos/pdf/Williams-et-al-2000.pdf

OVERALL CONCLUSIONS AND SUMMARY STATEMENT
This assessment was conducted for adult applicators
and children (age 1 to 6 years) because they have the
highest potential exposures. Estimates of exposure described
for these two subpopulations and used in these
risk calculations are considered excessive compared to
those likely to result in the general population from the
use of Roundup herbicide. MOE analyses compare the
lowest NOAELs determined from animal studies to
worst-case levels of human exposure. MOEs of greater
than 100 are considered by authoritative bodies to
indicate confidence that no adverse health effects
would occur (WHO, 1990). The MOEs for worst-case
chronic exposure to glyphosate ranged from 3370 to
5420; the MOEs for AMPA ranged from greater than
269 to 83,300; and for POEA the MOEs ranged 461 to
1380. Based on these values, it is concluded that these
substances do not have the potential to produce adverse
effects in humans. Acute exposures to glyphosate,
AMPA, and POEA were estimated to be 7360
1,730,000 times lower than the corresponding LD50
values, thereby demonstrating that potential acute exposure
is not a health concern. Finally, under the intended
conditions of herbicide use, Roundup risks to
subpopulations other than those considered here would
be significantly lower. It is concluded that, under
present and expected conditions of new use, there is no
potential for Roundup herbicide to pose a health risk to
humans.

 

[whitepine2]

California lists "freedom" as likely to cause cancer.

You got that right!

 

[tcreeley]

Monsanto - in pursuit of dollars. Hard to take them seriously when it comes to safety, though they are very good with their toxins.

 

[MidTn Mark]

Feeding the world...250 years ago North America produced well over twice as much food as it does today. All without intervention from man. So our best efforts, which in my opinion includes poisoning mankind, have reduced output by 1/2.

 

[daybreak1998]

Feeding the world...250 years ago North America produced well over twice as much food as it does today. All without intervention from man. So our best efforts, which in my opinion includes poisoning mankind, have reduced output by 1/2.

You must be confused. Read whatever information again and you will see you have that backwards.

 

[mike69440]

Don't get my wife in on this thread. She among other things keeps bees. So what is Monsanto going to do for a bee substitute?

 

[two_bit_score]

One of those things. My brother died of brain cancer at 62. Otherwise he was active and doing well. Chemicals and crap in our environment - it takes a toll. Cancer is all around us. Anything to save a buck, make a buck.

Sorry to hear about your brother. There is just no telling where it will strike or what causes it when it does.


TBS

 

[Complete Turf Care]

Feeding the world...250 years ago North America produced well over twice as much food as it does today. All without intervention from man. So our best efforts, which in my opinion includes poisoning mankind, have reduced output by 1/2.

Just curious.......where did you find this information?

 

[jenkinsph]

Just curious.......where did you find this information?

Fake news most likely.

 

[Streetcar]

Feeding the world...250 years ago North America produced well over twice as much food as it does today. All without intervention from man. So our best efforts, which in my opinion includes poisoning mankind, have reduced output by 1/2.

250 years ago much of America was still wilderness, but 90 percent of population was involved with agriculture. I doubt if agricultural production then was 1/10 of the current production