A Question for Sailors

[Wagtail]

This makes sense to me.

Steve

Yes, I have observed the 'pressure cooker' method of training junior officers (both RCN & RAN). It was brutal at times and the "well, I survived it... they can too!" regime took its toll.

'Back in the day' the RCN had a dedicated "Training Squadron" = 4 older destroyers that usually sailed in company. There were plenty of spare bunks for 5-6 junior officers to be put though their paces, not only in bridge watchkeeping but in learning to become a Divisional Officer (managing a Department & its personnel).

Minimum manning has eliminated this. Every bunk is an operational one.

 

[MAD777]

Does the Navy allow cell phones on the bridge? Just speculating. LOL

 

[Wagtail]

Does the Navy allow cell phones on the bridge? Just speculating. LOL

In the modern age, there is usually a "ship's" official mobile phone on the bridge. There is also a satellite phone there too. They are only used for official communications.

Crew (Officers & Ratings) can certainly have their own mobile phones/tablets for off-watch use when announced that they can use them. There are regulations for what can be said on them from the ship to shore whilst the ship is deployed.

 

[TN8Man]

2 Navy ships involved in collisions...this is incredible!

If this was Navair, there would be an immediate safety stand-down.

They didn't say that when the second aircraft hit the twin towers.

 

[Garandman]

Navy Punishes Leadership of USS Fitzgerald Following Deadly Collision Off Japan - NBC News

An "operational pause" has been ordered, but the McCain took the hit on the port side, meaning under normal ROW rules she was the stand-on vessel.

The USS John S. McCain Crash Isn'''t Exactly Like the USS Fitzgerald'''s | WIRED

But 10 more sailors are dead. It's been a long time since more sailors died than the Army or Marine Corps, but there it is.
USS John S. McCain: Remains Found of Some U.S. Sailors Missing in Warship Crash - NBC News


For those of you not familiar with AIS: "there's an app for that." MarineTraffic gives AIS reports. This is the inner harbor of Boston. The boat highlighted, Valkyrie, is a catamaran Ferry.

Our 22' RIB has a gps chartplotter and has optional transponders and decoders for AIS. Coupling the chart plotter with radar and AIS, even on a 20-something foot boat you see a vector representing the speed and course of each vessel. With AIS you know exactly what the other vessel is. You can set alarms if the vectors show you to be on a collision course, even miles away. This is appropriate because freighters, tankers, car carriers and other large ships in and out of Boston daily cannot stop or turn quickly, and often have tugs assisting.

 

[houstonscott]

When you promote CO's that are yes men, and are judged by how well they tow the lefty agenda over last 8 years you drive out the competent seamen, hence accidents. Operational competence and seamanship are not the most important part of a promotion or even in the top five. Hence accidents. The sailors don't get promoted, those who push the correct agenda do... I helped develop AIS... And electronic charts.

 

[Sigarms]

When you promote CO's that are yes men, and are judged by how well they tow the lefty agenda over last 8 years you drive out the competent seamen, hence accidents. Operational competence and seamanship are not the most important part of a promotion or even in the top five. Hence accidents. The sailors don't get promoted, those who push the correct agenda do... I helped develop AIS... And electronic charts.

Dang, Obummer still getting blamed:laughing:

Somehow I get the feeling if you aren't a "yes" man in todays administration, you ain't getting in LMAO.

 

[smstonypoint]

This discussion has drifted off course into "(Un)Friendly Politics" waters. Let's steer it back to navigational issues.

Steve

 

[TN8Man]

How can anyone think this was an accident? Two American war ships were rammed by foreign merchant ships in three months? The USS John McCain was just accused by China of violating China and international law by it's activity in the South China sea. The USS Fitzgerald was in the South China sea just before it was rammed.

 

[ch1ch2]

When you promote CO's that are yes men, and are judged by how well they tow the lefty agenda over last 8 years you drive out the competent seamen, hence accidents. Operational competence and seamanship are not the most important part of a promotion or even in the top five. Hence accidents. The sailors don't get promoted, those who push the correct agenda do... I helped develop AIS... And electronic charts.

SO TRUE!

Sad so many refuse to believe it because it does not fit their political agenda.