A Question for Sailors

[houstonscott]

You have a 270 ship navy, with enough funding and people for 200 ships, doing a job that takes 600 ships. What do you think was going to happen. Add to that most of the 200 ships are more then 25 years old.

 

[smstonypoint]

Again, I am not much of a conspiracy guy, buuut.... "a loss of steering right before the collision, and regain of steering right after".. Um.... boy, I would sure check that out really good and see if there was any way it could be hacked. It seems incredible, but...

So, are the helm and rudders of modern vessels connected mechanically? Or are modern vessels steered by wire?

Steve

PS

James, I have read that the claim that tin-foil hats block the government from reading your thoughts is government propaganda. The hats actually facilitate that process. What is your stance on this matter.

 

[houstonscott]

So, are the helm and rudders of modern vessels connected mechanically? Or are modern vessels steered by wire? Steve PS James, I have read that the claim that tin-foil hats block the government from reading your thoughts is government propaganda. The hats actually facilitate that process. What is your stance on this matter.

Which tender were you on, I was OOD on Sagebrush in San Juan PR. I was part of the hand picked crew to bring her back after the gay CO ran it aground.

 

[TN8Man]

Actually, there have been three collisions, the one that gets forgotten, most likely because there were no deaths, was when the Lake Champlain cruiser was hit by a South Korean trawler a few months back. My assumption on that one was that the cruiser "saw" the trawler but the cruiser was not going to move to avoid a collision since it was part of the screen to an aircraft carrier. I have not seen a report that says my assumption was right or wrong.

Why would one think this was anything other than yet another collision?

The USN has had many groundings and accidents in the last few years. A submarine ran into a sea mount, a ship ran into shallow water off of Hawaii, and a mine sweeper ran up on a reef. These were simply complete failures to navigate their vessels. No excuses what so ever in having this happen. None.

If the Chinese know where our ships and subs are located, their heading, and can then move reefs and sea mounts in front of USN vessels, well we better start learning how to speak Putonghua.

The USN has had multiple collisions between it's own vessels over the last few years as well. A USN sub surfaced into a Japanese trawler off Hawaii killing many of the vessel's crew. This was just an absolute failure on the part of the CO and crew.

I am not anti USN but they have a problem and I think the problem is up the chain of command from the ships COs.

Added this for clarification on my part. The naval services have always held COs accountable for what happens on THEIR ships, and for good reason, since historically, COs could inflict serious punishments, including death on their crew. The ships had no ability to communicate back to shore in any meaningful sense so everything rested on the CO's shoulders. It was, and is, a position of great power and responsibility. However, if the CO is told to charge into the valley of death, and looses the ship as a result, is the responsibility the CO or those who ordered the ship on a suicide mission? Now this is an extreme example of what is happening of course, but I do wonder if the ships officers and crews are being told to do too much with too little time and training. If that is the case, the problem lies above the CO but the CO still shares some responsibility.


Here is a link to a merchant marine captain who has interesting comments that I think get to the heart of the problem:

Red Over Red, The Failure Of U.S. Navy Leadership – gCaptain

Later,
Dan

Four incidents since January, three collisions and the guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam ran aground in Tokyo Bay. All navigational related. Investigators are starting to look at Cyber warfare.

 

[smstonypoint]

Which tender were you on, I was OOD on Sagebrush in San Juan PR. I was part of the hand picked crew to bring her back after the gay CO ran it aground.

The Madrona, from 1966-67. There were three other buoy tenders stationed at Portsmouth, VA at the same time (Conifer, Mistletoe, and Sledge*).

Steve

* I'm a little hazy on the Sledge. I checked online and I didn't remember the Sledge being 75' long -- I remembered a shorter vessel.

 

[k0ua]

So, are the helm and rudders of modern vessels connected mechanically? Or are modern vessels steered by wire?

Steve

PS

James, I have read that the claim that tin-foil hats block the government from reading your thoughts is government propaganda. The hats actually facilitate that process. What is your stance on this matter.

Steve I fall into the camp that eschews the wearing of aluminum foil hats as in actuality they will make the electric fields inside the brain easier to couple to thru the forming of basicly a large electrolytic capacitor. As anyone that has ever taken an electrolytic capacitor apart will instantly recognize that same foil inside of the capacitor body. With the brain forming the other "plate" of the capacitor, and the outside foil having a resonant frequency near 222 Mhz one can easily understand how this facilitates mind reading and control on or near these frequencies.

I also find it no coincidence that the 222 to 225 Mhz band was give to the United Parcel Service a few years ago by the US government. This was a plot to "farm out" the mind reading and control task to the private sector, in this case megalith of the UPS. You can find this just a coincidence if you want to, just as easily as you may dismiss pallets stacked in an inverted V configuration, but I for one see a pattern forming here.

With tongue firmly planted in cheek, your friend, James.

 

[dmccarty]

GCaptain just released the AIS tracking data from the time of the collision, USS John S. McCain Collision: AIS Animation Shows Tanker's Track During Collision – gCaptain

The automation is here -> USS John S. McCain Arrives at Changi Naval Base - YouTube The automation looks to be sped up and not real time.

This shows how much ship traffic there is in the area, but remember it only shows vessels transmitting on AIS, which the McCain was not doing

Later,
Dan

 

[Sigarms]

Which tender were you on, I was OOD on Sagebrush in San Juan PR. I was part of the hand picked crew to bring her back after the gay CO ran it aground.

Gay as in happy or gay as in homosexual?

Could one then assume per your comment the last two accidents were at the fault of either happy or homosexual men at the helm of the ships?

 

[dmccarty]

So, are the helm and rudders of modern vessels connected mechanically? Or are modern vessels steered by wire?

Steve

PS
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I don't know about big ships, but on smaller boats most?/all of the steering is mechanical or hydraulic. However, steering is almost always done via an autopilot which can be hooked up to an electronic chart plotter which can lead to problems because of the crew mistakes. One thing that I find risky is that there is a movement in the industry to have navigation controls handled over WiFi. There are remote control units, just a glorified tv remote, that allows one to set course and speed. This can also be done via tablet and I assume cell phones. :shocked::shocked::shocked:

There is SOOOOO much wrong with this level of computerization. The hand held could be very helpful with a single person when dealing with the anchor but using this stuff to dock or navigate in traffic gives me the willies. Sooooo much to go wrong. I know darn well someone will eventually run up on a reef, hit a dock or another boat because the batteries in the remote died....:shocked:

Then add on the idea of someone hacking into your helm control over WiFi.... Or getting a malware that locks up you system while docking or in traffic...

If the USN has WiFi enabled navigation systems on the ships, someone should be keel hauled a few hundred times and then hung from the yard arm of the USS Constitution.

Later,
Dan

 

[k0ua]

I don't know about big ships, but on smaller boats most?/all of the steering is mechanical or hydraulic. However, steering is almost always done via an autopilot which can be hooked up to an electronic chart plotter which can lead to problems because of the crew mistakes. One thing that I find risky is that there is a movement in the industry to have navigation controls handled over WiFi. There are remote control units, just a glorified tv remote, that allows one to set course and speed. This can also be done via tablet and I assume cell phones. :shocked::shocked::shocked:

There is SOOOOO much wrong with this level of computerization. The hand held could be very helpful with a single person when dealing with the anchor but using this stuff to dock or navigate in traffic gives me the willies. Sooooo much to go wrong. I know darn well someone will eventually run up on a reef, hit a dock or another boat because the batteries in the remote died....:shocked:

Then add on the idea of someone hacking into your helm control over WiFi.... Or getting a malware that locks up you system while docking or in traffic...

If the USN has WiFi enabled navigation systems on the ships, someone should be keel hauled a few hundred times and then hung from the yard arm of the USS Constitution.

Later,
Dan

Are you saying there is a possibility, however remote that the steering system of the McCain was hacked? I am looking for the aluminum colander to put on my head now...