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[Dadnatron]

I'm all for alternative fuels. I'm all for alternative forms of transportation. I look forward to the day when vehicles are capable of driving themselves. (Hopefully before I am old and my children want to take away my keys.)

I love driving and have driven since I was 5yo on my dad's lap and 7yo alone, when my Grandpa would put the truck in 1st gear and let me drive all over the field as he was working it. But in reality, any more, there are a lot of things I could and would rather be doing, than driving.

But concerning ZEVs or so called... I don't like subsidies in ANY FORM, from the Government. I do recognize that certain aspects of 'progress' however you wish to term it, would be more difficult without subsidies in some form, however, the damage they cause is not worth the supposed benefit.

When it makes financial sense to purchase an electric car/truck... I'll do so. When solar panels make more sense than hooking up to the grid, I'll do so. I believe both will happen before I'm gone. Trucks... I'm all for them, but I believe there will be a bigger hurdle given the battery size, cost, and weight. Hauling around 10K lbs of battery not only costs efficiency, but also payload. (Perhaps the offset of fewer mechanicals will make enough difference, although a 5K Tesla isn't showing it to be the case.) I can see short haul trucks being used, but I think it will be a while before long haul trucks are out in force. That is... barring a major breakthrough in battery tech.

In fact, I believe the BEST way for .gov to be involved... if it believes it wants to 'shepard' the people in a direction, is to offer a large award, to be given to a company who meets the goal set out beforehand. ie, 1st company to produce a battery with X capacity/lb, Y safety, and Z cost will receive X$B and a government contract for 3 years.

.gov 'needs' vehicles for function, even at the level I'd like to have .gov functioning. If the goal is lofty enough to make a real change... I would be much happier supporting THIS type of Tax manipulation, than subsidies.

 

[cqaigy2]

Ah there we go, just about right on schedule(although about half a page earlier than I predicted).

Like we covered in the massive EV thread that you managed to get locked before. If you don't like Tesla, don't buy one. If you think they're going to go under feel free to short the stock, although that would require you to put your money where your mouth is.

That's all I'll say on the subject.

Yup, coming out of the wood work. I wonder if that happens on Kubota threads too.

 

[wagne223]

Yup, coming out of the wood work. I wonder if that happens on Kubota threads too.

Happens on all threads on all forums when people have differing opinions and the thread does not go the way the OP planned.
Happens to me all the time.

 

[skylarkguy]

Sorry but this. The Electric Car Fantasy | The Rush Limbaugh Show is not an article. It's a transcript of a monolog. Please present something with citations from verifiable sources. Thank you.

 

[houstonscott]

Sorry but this. The Electric Car Fantasy | The Rush Limbaugh Show is not an article. It's a transcript of a monolog. Please present something with citations from verifiable sources. Thank you.

Read down to the professor who crushed the numbers for California alone going pure electric by 2040. Bing up his study, you'd be floored how much money and improvement and additional electric generation it would take to do that! Never going to happen, not there not anywhere. Bumping up against realty makes the discussion real not some science fiction tin hat discussion.

 

[Dadnatron]

Read down to the professor who crushed the numbers for California alone going pure electric by 2040. Bing up his study, you'd be floored how much money and improvement and additional electric generation it would take to do that! Never going to happen, not there not anywhere. Bumping up against realty makes the discussion real not some science fiction tin hat discussion.

Houstonscott... the difference in this... and its a HUGE difference, is that there is no 'home refueling' for gasoline powered vehicles in all but 'farm type' atmospheres. Whereas, MOST if not ALL powering of electric vehicles would be charged almost exclusively from home chargers.

The energy cost and requirement would be the same, but the source of that energy transfer, ie the gas station vs the home garage would be radically altered.

That argument is a straw man fallacy.

 

[CincyFlyer]

unfortunately for Tesla its Tesla that's having to play catchup, he's being beaten by the manufacturers up and down. If you are truly interested in using modern EV technologies the MB C350e has about tens times as much as any Tesla. And the CO2 thing has disappeared, and modern ICE is the cleanest for air pollution you can put fuel into... The need for electric has dried up, and a real examination of how much electric power generation would really be need if you could snap you finger and have a all EV America is impossible, EVER! I'd recommend you sell your stock.

The Electric Car Fantasy | The Rush Limbaugh Show

Not that I'd trust Rush's hyperbole (I used to listen to him a few decades ago, before he went over-the-top for ratings.) Nuclear power will solve the electrical generation issue, and the C350e certainly hasn't 10x the "technology" of the Tesla (the real-world battery range is rather laughable). The Tesla is good as an automobile, not solely as an electric automobile. Go drive one.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

At the age of 66 with a broad educational interest the self driving cars and trucks boggles my mind yet I am sure they are going mainstream.

From Amazon I just ordered the $59 AONE Lane Keeping and Frontal Crash warning system for our recently purchased 2010 Subaru Forester so I can play around with it. It connects to the OBD plug and uses your own Android 5.0+ smart phone. I would like a new Subaru with the Interactive EyeSight driving aids.

When all vehicles on the road are "aware" of one another then insurance rates are to drop.

 

[daugen]

No one is throwing rocks, or jousting. You want to discuss this or not, science is not in your favor on issue. Your post is nothing more than a political rant for EV and an attempt to stop push back. Shame on you.

Shame on me Houston? I'm trying to return a little civility here. Your approach is so obnoxious and caustic no one wants to have a discussion with you. Please leave this thread and let the rest of us have a pleasant discussion. Your presence is not appreciated.
Can we be any clearer?

perhaps you just thrive on controversy and unhappiness. I don't, I'm trying to learn something here, and my post was hardly a rant.
But yours sure was, what a pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Dadnatron]

At the age of 66 with a broad educational interest the self driving cars and trucks boggles my mind yet I am sure they are going mainstream.

From Amazon I just ordered the $59 AONE Lane Keeping and Frontal Crash warning system for our recently purchased 2010 Subaru Forester so I can play around with it. It connects to the OBD plug and uses your own Android 5.0+ smart phone. I would like a new Subaru with the Interactive EyeSight driving aids.

When all vehicles on the road are "aware" of one another then insurance rates are to drop.

I think this is key... there will be a critical mass which is required in order for self driving vehicles to work well. Because, they will work consistently and when interacting with one another, should work well. Obviously there are always issues, however, it is the oddball human driver out there who decides to 'run the red light' which would never happen with a self driving car, mainly because lights would be obsolete, that is most likely to cause the accidents.

There obviously needs to be the 'human capable' driving, but there needs also to be a 'hands free' version. Similar to Will Smith's car in iRobot, without the killer laden buses.

irobot car scene - YouTube