Medical costs

[Lockport]

The key is to de-privatise the health care industry. A service to humanity shouldn't be a for profit industry. When Americans talk of health care, they're talking about the insurance industry. A scenario where government should be, but isn't is preoccupied by a place government is and shouldn't be. In Canada the hospital's are not corporate entities but government owned and run Services to a developed and westernized system. All procedures have a set price across the board. It's $89.95 for a three stiches - inclusive - not $2,000. Largely symbolic, that's what the hospital is reimbursed. The Dr's and nurses are on salary. Not nearly as opulent as your average American surgeon, but more a dignified and respected position. Societies vices are highly taxed. Cigarettes and alcohol are twice the price in Canada compared to the USA and those monies are directly steered back into funding for the health care system. Arguments of wait times being exorbitant in Canadian hospital's are, therefore, also symbolic in nature. Notwithstanding, a procedure may be diagnosed as necessity but not urgent. Logically, attention to cost saving scrutiny is top priority to a hospital administrator and excessive access to equipment is deemed a luxury. A single hospital might not have more than one cat scan machine. A privatised system...is what it is. The pharmaceutical system in the USA, modeled on the privatised health care system is immensely credited with its research facilities, programs, and successes in its own right and is unquestionably a credit to itself. Occasionally abused and taken advantage of to an obscene degree, it is an accolade to those civilised societies it accommodates. There will never be change in the US health care system, which is immensely cruel to most, until congress stops talking about the insurance industry in disguise, and breaches the actual subject of health care. Then you'll see the Dr's lobby, and it won't be pretty, either.

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[MossRoad]

Your job gets outsourced and you loose your insurance.
Your kid gets hit by a car.
You go to the hospital and they ask if you have insurance.
No
Sorry, we can't help your child....

That's why the law was enacted to prevent them from denying service.

Is it abused? Of course.

Now who gets to be the judge of who gets denied service and who doesn't?

 

[ultrarunner]

The key is to de-privatise the health care industry. A service to humanity shouldn't be a for profit industry. When Americans talk of health care, they're talking about the insurance industry. A scenario where government should be, but isn't is preoccupied by a place government is and shouldn't be. I'm Canada the hospital's are not corporate entities but government owned and run Services to a developed and westernized system. All procedures have a set price across the board. It's $89.95 for a three stiches - inclusive - not $2,000. Largely symbolic, that's what the hospital is reimbursed. The Dr's and nurses are on salary. Not nearly as opulent as your average American surgeon, but more a dignified and respected position. Societies vices are highly taxed. Cigarettes and alcohol are twice the price in Canada compared to the USA and those monies are directly steered back into funding for the health care system. Arguments of wait times being exorbitant in Canadian hospital's are, therefore, also symbolic in nature. Notwithstanding, a procedure may be diagnosed as necessity but not urgent. Logically, attention to cost saving scrutiny is top priority to a hospital administrator and excessive access to equipment is deemed a luxury. A single hospital might not have more than one cat scan machine. A privatised system...is what it is. The pharmaceutical system in the USA, modeled on the privatised health care system is immensely credited with its research facilities, programs, and successes in its own right and is unquestionably a credit to itself. Occasionally abused and taken advantage of to an obscene degree, it is an accolade to those civilised societies it accommodates. There will never be change in the US health care system, which is immensely cruel to most, until congress stops talking about the insurance industry in disguise, and breaches the actual subject of health care. Then you'll see the Dr's lobby, and it won't be pretty, either.

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We have Government operated Hospitals... they are County Hospitals and my country has several plus specialty like the Psychiatric Hospital.

Don't leave out the VA and Military Hospitals... had some very fine Military Hospitals here but the base closings... they also closed or scaled back.

What we have fewer of is Religious based Hospitals... due to Government in the Case of California.

 

[EddieWalker]

Below is the World Health Organization's ranking FWIW. I do not know there methodology other than it is outcome data driven.

If you want to know about specific segments, procedures, diseases, etc, other than what I mentioned in my previous post just ask and ill see if I can find it. :thumbsup:

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 ******
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA

Thank you, I had no idea that we where not up to the standards of countries such as Malta, Oman, Greece, the UK, Columbia, Cypress, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Morocco, Chile, Dominica and Costa Rica. What little I know about those places, I'm truly shocked that any of them came in as high as they did.

 

[ultrarunner]

Without knowing the criteria it is hard to say...

One that seems to be always on the list is percent of population vaccinated...

 

[Tompet]

The key is to de-privatise the health care industry. A service to humanity shouldn't be a for profit industry. When Americans talk of health care, they're talking about the insurance industry. A scenario where government should be, but isn't is preoccupied by a place government is and shouldn't be. I'm Canada the hospital's are not corporate entities but government owned and run Services to a developed and westernized system. All procedures have a set price across the board. It's $89.95 for a three stiches - inclusive - not $2,000. Largely symbolic, that's what the hospital is reimbursed. The Dr's and nurses are on salary. Not nearly as opulent as your average American surgeon, but more a dignified and respected position. Societies vices are highly taxed. Cigarettes and alcohol are twice the price in Canada compared to the USA and those monies are directly steered back into funding for the health care system. Arguments of wait times being exorbitant in Canadian hospital's are, therefore, also symbolic in nature. Notwithstanding, a procedure may be diagnosed as necessity but not urgent. Logically, attention to cost saving scrutiny is top priority to a hospital administrator and excessive access to equipment is deemed a luxury. A single hospital might not have more than one cat scan machine. A privatised system...is what it is. The pharmaceutical system in the USA, modeled on the privatised health care system is immensely credited with its research facilities, programs, and successes in its own right and is unquestionably a credit to itself. Occasionally abused and taken advantage of to an obscene degree, it is an accolade to those civilised societies it accommodates. There will never be change in the US health care system, which is immensely cruel to most, until congress stops talking about the insurance industry in disguise, and breaches the actual subject of health care. Then you'll see the Dr's lobby, and it won't be pretty, either.

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Lookup Frontline special "Sick Around the World", very interesting comparisons of health systems.

 

[TheMan419]

Isn't the Philippines part of the US?

Oh my.....

 

[check]

The key is to de-privatise the health care industry. A service to humanity shouldn't be a for profit industry. When Americans talk of health care, they're talking about the insurance industry. A scenario where government should be, but isn't is preoccupied by a place government is and shouldn't be. I'm Canada the hospital's are not corporate entities but government owned and run Services to a developed and westernized system. All procedures have a set price across the board. It's $89.95 for a three stiches - inclusive - not $2,000. Largely symbolic, that's what the hospital is reimbursed. The Dr's and nurses are on salary. Not nearly as opulent as your average American surgeon, but more a dignified and respected position. Societies vices are highly taxed. Cigarettes and alcohol are twice the price in Canada compared to the USA and those monies are directly steered back into funding for the health care system. Arguments of wait times being exorbitant in Canadian hospital's are, therefore, also symbolic in nature. Notwithstanding, a procedure may be diagnosed as necessity but not urgent. Logically, attention to cost saving scrutiny is top priority to a hospital administrator and excessive access to equipment is deemed a luxury. A single hospital might not have more than one cat scan machine. A privatised system...is what it is. The pharmaceutical system in the USA, modeled on the privatised health care system is immensely credited with its research facilities, programs, and successes in its own right and is unquestionably a credit to itself. Occasionally abused and taken advantage of to an obscene degree, it is an accolade to those civilised societies it accommodates. There will never be change in the US health care system, which is immensely cruel to most, until congress stops talking about the insurance industry in disguise, and breaches the actual subject of health care. Then you'll see the Dr's lobby, and it won't be pretty, either. Sent from my LON-L29 using TractorByNet mobile app

Best post of the lot!

 

[Firemanbuck82]

but Trump care will correct all that, so he says.

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

[Firemanbuck82]

Now who gets to be the judge of who gets denied service and who doesn't?

I thought that was what the Death Panels were for? :stirthepot: