Battery Charger / Desulphator - BatteryMINDer 12117 $25 - (& comparison to Ebay junk)

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Re: Battery Charger / Desulphator - BatteryMINDer 12117 $25 - (& comparison to Ebay j

So, having said all of the technical stuff, which battery charger/desulphator would you recommend for someone not so savvy in electronics?

I believe the Battery Tender models like the Jr. don't include de-sulfation, but the BatteryMINDer does. They are NOT the same product. I'd go with the BatteryMINDer personally if I were to purchase another one.
 
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Re: Battery Charger / Desulphator - BatteryMINDer 12117 $25 - (& comparison to Ebay j

I have both battery tender and battery minder 1510 it has de-sulfation 10 year warranty $50.00 on flea-bay, I also got the y connector to use on both tractors
 
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Re: Battery Charger / Desulphator - BatteryMINDer 12117 $25 - (& comparison to Ebay j

I bought a Centech "automatic battery float charger" on a shopping spree at Harbor Freight..
"THINKING" that it charges batteries.. NOT
It says in the directions> "ONLY MAINTAINS a topped off battery"..
So HOW can it claim to be a "charger"???
A battery 'tender' or 'maintainer' DOES charge the battery, but just at smaller levels than your typical large charger. It is intended to monitor the battery's state and apply a small charge from time to time to bring the battery's voltage level back up. These typically do not have the capability to introduce enough charge to bring a 'discharged' battery back to life. It's not a scam and it is not misleading. They are doing a job and that job is specific and different from your normal 1.5A/10A charger. Those larger chargers aren't meant to be left connected to a battery for extended periods of time (well, maybe some can do that, but only if they specifically offer that mode). They are meant to hook to a discharged battery and charge it up to full capacity. Then you unhook it. The battery tender/maintainer is meant to be left connected all the time that you have the vehicle or battery out of service.

Rob

That is one of the problems of
a shopping spree at Harbor Freight
many people DON'T do any research, just "looks pretty and it's cheap".

Note that the Centech "automatic battery float charger" also will not start my car, like my Schumacher SC-10030A SpeedCharge 2/12-30/100 Amp Automatic Charger and Maintainer. But they do keep several of my batteries "topped off" for extended periods of time, at a very low price ($5 now).
 
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Re: Battery Charger / Desulphator - BatteryMINDer 12117 $25 - (& comparison to Ebay j

I believe the Battery Tender models like the Jr. don't include de-sulfation, but the BatteryMINDer does. They are NOT the same product. I'd go with the BatteryMINDer personally if I were to purchase another one.

Until this thread I never really heard of (or paid attention to) 'de-sulphation'. Given my track record with batteries (quite good) I'm just not sure what the extra value is. Plus, when you need 7 or 8 units that extra cost of buying the 'better' unit can add up fast. In the winter I have Battery Tender Jrs on two tractors, two motorcycles, two boat batteries, a trailer break-away battery, and probably something else I'm forgetting. The 'Jr' model can be had for about $23.

Rob
 
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Re: Battery Charger / Desulphator - BatteryMINDer 12117 $25 - (& comparison to Ebay j

Since I have an AGM battery(Odyssey) in the tractor and standard lead/acid in everything else - I have a couple Deltran Battery Tender Plus. Both will charge and maintain lead acid or AGM type batteries. Had them a couple years now - doing a great job. They put a battery thru a four step process when you hook them up. Not the cheapest model but then I don't have to worry if I'm hooking the correct "tender" to the proper battery.
 
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Lol Newbury.. THATS EXACTLY what happened.. Like most of us while going to HF.. "OOOOH, THAT looks nice, I need one of those".. Lol
I went in for a $20.00 item.. I walked out w/ $400.00 worth of "stuff".. Lol
 
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Re: Battery Charger / Desulphator - BatteryMINDer 12117 $25 - (& comparison to Ebay j

Lol Newbury.. THATS EXACTLY what happened.. Like most of us while going to HF.. "OOOOH, THAT looks nice, I need one of those".. Lol
I went in for a $20.00 item.. I walked out w/ $400.00 worth of "stuff".. Lol
I recognized that HF has this effect - and went and researched how to buy HF stock.

But I found it has a sole owner. No stockholders. :mad:
 
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Re: Battery Charger / Desulphator - BatteryMINDer 12117 $25 - (& comparison to Ebay j

My experience based on working with industrial batteries tells me: De-sulphating is a mixed bag. The crystals and sludge dropped from the plates accumulate at the bottom. Industrial batteries have a lot of space in the bottom, car and equipment batteries have very little space down there. After de-sulphating the acid strength is changed as some of it is in the residue crystals. We always had to add acid to the solution to bring back the strength. Sulphate crystals building up will short out the plates when they get high enough. We de-sulpated batteries to keep going in emergencies but planned replacement ASAP as no longer reliable. Allowing a battery to set w/o a charge is usually the death nell. Cheaper to replace than to mess around trying to re-juvinate.

Ron
 
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Re: Battery Charger / Desulphator - BatteryMINDer 12117 $25 - (& comparison to Ebay j

Until this thread I never really heard of (or paid attention to) 'de-sulphation'. Given my track record with batteries (quite good) I'm just not sure what the extra value is. Plus, when you need 7 or 8 units that extra cost of buying the 'better' unit can add up fast. In the winter I have Battery Tender Jrs on two tractors, two motorcycles, two boat batteries, a trailer break-away battery, and probably something else I'm forgetting. The 'Jr' model can be had for about $23.

Rob
Well the cost of the Battery minder, $25, is only $2 more than your quoted price for the Tender Jr. From my readings the Battery Minder does not need to be hooked up 24/7 but can be cycled through a fleet of batteries. So for $2 more you could have a device to cycle through your 7 mentioned batteries. And also work on your car and truck batteries if you have any.
 
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Re: Battery Charger / Desulphator - BatteryMINDer 12117 $25 - (& comparison to Ebay j

There is lot's of technical proof that 'electronic de-sulfation' does in fact work, but........

I've studied the technology extensively, I actually now build my own units (NO, don't ask me to sell you one) and have done extensive testing using a base of acquired marine batteries. What I will offer:
connections matter - keep the leads as short as possible using fairly large gauge wire (mine are actually made to sit on top of the battery with the leads only long enough to reach the terminals)
a small charger/maintainer is required - the de-sulfator generally gets it's power from the DUT (device under test) (I don't pay a lot of attention to what I use for a charger, anywhere from a 'tender to a 15A auto unit
the quality of the components and the circuit design of the de-sulfator matters - I've tested some I built w/ cheap components as I developed my circuit, I found a few key components that I spend a top $$ to get quality

generally, if a battery is sulfated, it will show an open terminal voltage near it's rated, but when you attach a old style manual charger it won't take a charge or a new auto style will error showing 'bad battery' or such. These are candidates for electronic de-sulfation. I'll document it's open terminal voltage, attach my device, and a charger, and make sure it's got water. I leave it for 30 days or so, detach the charger and device, let it set for a few hours and compare the open terminal voltage to original reading. If it's in the range of > 12.6V, I'll then do a load test w/ a 50A load and see what the terminal voltage drops to. This will identify if there is a cell that is bad, if so it will drop a bit, then drop dramatically about 2 volts, then continue dropping as it's loaded. Usually, removing the load will return back to somewhere near 12V, but I usually don't continue w/ that battery as the bad cell will likely never recover. If the load test simply drops continuously, I then apply a smaller continuous load to discharge it down to about slightly below 11.5V, then reattach the device and charger and leave be for another 30 days. Another quick load test will verify if it is serviceable, if so I put into service keeping a de-sulfator device on it 100% of the time. (I always keep some kind of maintainer or charger on my marine batteries if there's a device on top)

My particular de-sulfator device delivers about (varies dependant on state of battery) a min 50V pulse to as much as 150V for about 3 microseconds every millisecond. You can actually here it 'sing' when it's working, about a 1Khz tone emitted from the coils inside it.

I've also tried some of the eBay junk, it's that - junk, I've not found one that works, and I've used some of the commercial ones, I've a couple auto-chargers w/ de-sulfate modes and a battery-minder that work OK, but I went my DIY route for a couple reasons, I'm electronic engineer by education, and cost - I can build my own better for cheaper, and since I'm putting one on every storage battery I have, I need a lot of them (5 boats w/ multiple cell banks on-board) plus the satisfaction of debunking a myth. I have a couple off-grid acquaintances that also swear by the technology, as they have built their power banks w/ discarded batteries.

just trying to contribute, the technology is SOLID, it's the quality of the implementation that either makes or breaks it's success.

I have more than a few batteries (18), and I am usually away from them for months at a time.

I have 6- Battery Tenders 1.25A
7 - Battery Tender Jr's .75A
4 - Battery Minders 1.5A
1 - Battery Tender 6V

I leave them hooked up to their respective batteries, some for more than 8 months at a time.
I don't have a clue how/if they work, but with 18 batteries, I have only bought 2 new batteries over the past 9 years.
 

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