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   / About this pedal thang #51  
I ain't smart enough to know what pontificated means, but I appreciated the ability of brake steering on a tractor and with your pontificating, maybe those that say it's not needed or those that knew nothing about it, will have learned some. Thanks.

pontificated ?? I'd a prolly said preached.....:D or dogmatized, semonized, moralized, or lectured...:eek:

I think it means he wore a dress and a sharp pointy hat and offered his ring for people to kiss.

....however he actually has experience with steering brakes when giving advice about steering brakes....so....maybe not real pontificating... :rolleyes:
 
   / About this pedal thang #52  
I ain't smart enough to know what pontificated means, but I appreciated the ability of brake steering on a tractor and with your pontificating, maybe those that say it's not needed or those that knew nothing about it, will have learned some. Thanks.

pontificated ?? I'd a prolly said preached.....:D or dogmatized, semonized, moralized, or lectured...:eek:

Maybe "rambled on?" :)
 
   / About this pedal thang #53  
I think it means he wore a dress and a sharp pointy hat and offered his ring for people to kiss.

....however he actually has experience with steering brakes when giving advice about steering brakes....so....maybe not real pontificating... :rolleyes:

These mental images we are creating are getting worrisome. Whether the one I created of the tutu wearing ballet dancer trying to do the Kubota shuffle, or the pope decked out in his Sunday best holding a rapt audience hanging on to his every word. AND I doubt seriously the pope knows a thing about steering brakes. :)
 
   / About this pedal thang #55  
My thoughts. I have owned several Gear and Several hydro tractors. I will never own another gear tractor. Hydro has many advantages. Especially in a compact tractor. As a field tractor pulling a plow,. um not so much. Gear is more efficient. And when you put several hundred hours pulling a plow or something on a larger field tractor, those hours add up to fuel savings with gear. Besided hydro adds nothing to that equation.

Now back to what we all use compact tractors for. Loader work, mowing, grapple work, working with forks, the hydro is superior in all of those task. Much more precise control. Much less operator fatigue. Slightly less fuel efficiency, slightly more heat generated (and compensated for by and extra radiator up front in larger models or a fan in small models). The hydro cannot be beaten by any other system for more directional changes per hour with less fatigue. The hydraulic shuttle comes close. But these system are more complicated than hydro, and usually in larger tractors, with some exceptions.

Hydro is much easier for a person to learn on, as totally unskilled personnel (think spouses and minors) can jump on the machine and starting doing useful work in seconds. AND doing that work in a MUCH safer manner than a gear/clutch tractor. No foot to accidently slip off of clutch and run someone working in front of the tractor over.

As for treadle pedal vs twin pedal. That is a matter of personal preference and acclimatization. I have owned two treadle pedals and one twin pedal which is my current Kioti. The twin pedal is easier for people to understand and be comfortable with right away. The treadle pedal is slightly faster as one poster noted when dipping your front wheels into a pond or ditch. BUT you must learn how to operate the treadle pedal effeciently. There are times (most) to NOT put your foot on the top of the pedal, and there are times to do so.

The twin pedal setup on the small Kubotas, that Steppenwolfe hates DO suck and suck bigtime. They are not spaced side by side, but more front to back. But I suppose you could get used to them. Apparently he could not. But he is know for being rigid and set in his ways. :)

Bottom line, you pays your money and you takes your choice. Also bottom line, the hydro's cost more to buy, and sell for more when used. NO ONE (practically) wants to buy your used gear tractor. Very few people do anyway. Women and men now that have never driven a gear anything don't want them and will avoid them like a snake. It might be useful to keep thieves from stealing them though :) I understand that most thieves now will not steal standard transmission cars, because only a percentage of them know how to drive them.

So if gear makes you happy, by all means get that. I am just expressing my opinion (I have a lot of them :) ) Get the hydro and don't look back. You will be glad you did. :)

Way too much pontificating...:D
 
   / About this pedal thang #56  
I've owned a few tractors with gears and with hydros. I will NOT go back to gears.....especially for a compact tractor. I am coming off a JD 3320 e-hydro.......which I liked allot. Now with my Kubota....it has the brakes on the left and the treadle on the right....which is similar to my old JD....but the Kubota has an extension on the treadle....which allows you to "pull up" with your toe.....for reverse. Seems I use that all the time......and find it somewhat annoying to use the heel to toe pedal.....as compared to my old Deere set-up. I seldom need the brakes.

I do get along with the Kubota "treadle" set-up.....but do prefer the twin pedals as found on the Deere. I'm getting better at it.....but still prefer the Deere twin pedals. Glad Kubota put that toe extension on the model I have....as I hate the heel / toe treadle set up. I can live with what I got now.. All things said.....I would buy a hydro again in one heartbeat. Simply a must-have with loader work and with positioning my stump grinder....grapple work.....as well as many other functions.
 
   / About this pedal thang #57  
My flat pastures are edged by steep and deep drop-offs with aggressive trash trees and tropical vines and Guinea Grass. Running parallel to the drop is suicidal especially since the grass, first to get tall, blocks a view of where the edge lies. If left unattended, the jungle marches into the pasture. I use the hydro on an L3700 to back the bush hog at and over the edge at a 90 degree angle. The location of the rear relative to the edge is easy to see. At five feet per pass, edging the whole place takes a lot of back and forth, easy with the hydro pedal. An added benefit is that when the rear gets as far as I want it to go, no need to brake, the transmission holds it in place until I go forward again.

Bottom line: For numerous changes in direction, back and forth, a hydro is the only way to go. For pasture work there is no downside. Were I plowing large plots perhaps a geared tractor might be the best.
 
   / About this pedal thang #58  
My flat pastures are edged by steep and deep drop-offs with aggressive trash trees and tropical vines and Guinea Grass. Running parallel to the drop is suicidal especially since the grass, first to get tall, blocks a view of where the edge lies. If left unattended, the jungle marches into the pasture. I use the hydro on an L3700 to back the bush hog at and over the edge at a 90 degree angle.

Yowza! Seems like a really high pucker factor! :shocked: Do be extra careful!
 
   / About this pedal thang #59  
My flat pastures are edged by steep and deep drop-offs with aggressive trash trees and tropical vines and Guinea Grass. Running parallel to the drop is suicidal especially since the grass, first to get tall, blocks a view of where the edge lies. If left unattended, the jungle marches into the pasture. I use the hydro on an L3700 to back the bush hog at and over the edge at a 90 degree angle. The location of the rear relative to the edge is easy to see. At five feet per pass, edging the whole place takes a lot of back and forth, easy with the hydro pedal. An added benefit is that when the rear gets as far as I want it to go, no need to brake, the transmission holds it in place until I go forward again.

Bottom line: For numerous changes in direction, back and forth, a hydro is the only way to go. For pasture work there is no downside. Were I plowing large plots perhaps a geared tractor might be the best.

True. The flip side is:

IF you did drive parallel to the edge and had a front tire start to drop over the bank, you might want a tractor where you could use your steering brakes to get away. Just saying....

I do have a similar bank like that where I can't see the edge in tall summer grass. You really have to go slow and give it the Helen Keller method. Uncharacteristically, I also don't tempt it and try squeeze every last inch. But I have gotten into lesser but similar ditches and ruts where you just can't steer out of them. Tires just scrape the edge and falls back down, only hard 1 wheeled braking changes the angle of attack enough to climb back up and out.
 
   / About this pedal thang #60  
My flat pastures are edged by steep and deep drop-offs with aggressive trash trees and tropical vines and Guinea Grass. Running parallel to the drop is suicidal especially since the grass, first to get tall, blocks a view of where the edge lies.

Perhaps a sickle bar mower? Or some of mower that swings out to the side?
 

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