Kubota forcing dealers out?

   / Kubota forcing dealers out? #71  
Sounds good, Moss, but there's plenty of examples of corporate consolidation pocketing the efficiencies of scale and then raising prices because they have eliminated their competition. That's why we have anti-trust laws and that's also why potential consolidators contribute to the party in power.

So I'll ask... where's the plenty of examples, and are there any anti-trust cases that have been won to the consumer's benefit?
 
   / Kubota forcing dealers out? #72  
Cell phone coverage and speed has improved exponentially since consolidation. I'm not saying I like their rates, but I remember when we paid for 100 minutes a month.

I remember back in the 60s and 70s my grandparents would winter in Florida. On Christmas day, they'd call us, and we got to say "Hi grandma, Merry Christm" before the phone got yanked out of our hands and passed to the next sibling because a few minute long distance call was about $15!
 
   / Kubota forcing dealers out? #73  
Regarding airline pricing...
From here:
What Flights Used to Cost in the '''Golden Age''' of Air Travel | Travel + Leisure

"Until the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, airlines were considered a public utility and airfares were set by the federal government, which ensured airlines always made more than enough money.

Even after deregulation, a basic domestic round-trip airfare in 1979 averaged $615.82 in today's money. That average fare dropped to $344.22 by 2016. Fees have risen dramatically from the equivalent of $1.65 in 1979 to $22.70 by 2016, but even with those fees added back in, airfares are much cheaper."
 
   / Kubota forcing dealers out? #74  
Every industry has gone the direction of only large dealerships at the cost of having fast, friendly service and a friend down the road who sells machines. I've seen this first hand in my industry, copy machines. Of course, the equipment has become much more complex, efficient, reliable, but to a large part, not as economical to rebuild as the old gear used to be. I own a tiny independent shop and we still lease and service equipment, but are truly in an industry of giants. Our customers love us and know me by name as Eric, who answers many of the phone calls and sends out invoices and sells equipment and rents on a month to month basis with no contract often. The truth is, my business used to be fun because there was another dealer down the street who we also know. It's gone, but I make a decent living and am too small to sell for any real money. I am new to tractors, but find many parallels to my office equipment industry. The large corporations buy up dealers and it is probably hard for a country corner farm tractor dealership to compete and actually make money as he once did. The big box stores like Rural King have such low prices, people will give them a chance to save thousands on a similar John Deere or whoever else is still in the game.

I just realized this is an older post, so its probably gotten worse for the consumer / farmer or homesteader who needs good service, as service is going away and lower priced products, made cheaply is the way we seem to be going, and it ain't cheap at that. Just my rant, fwiw.
 
   / Kubota forcing dealers out? #75  
OK, major thread creep again, but I'll play.

We did the after 11PM Night Rate Toll Call thing where rates dropped by about 20%. Now, my cell phone costs me about $10/mo or so for all the calls I can make anywhere in the country plus all the dumb phone data I can use.

I can remember paying $69 for a one way plane ticket between two US cities. Seems like it was less at times too, but the last time I flew anywhere was in the late 90s.
 
   / Kubota forcing dealers out? #76  
I live in between 2 huge unrelated Kub dealers, they both carry the entire line with million$ in stock. One is 40 km to the north , other is 30 km south.

Now get this...given my home address I am only allowed to purchase new machinery from the one to the north.

I dont know if its an agreement only between those 2 or if it is a countrywide Kubota policy.
 
   / Kubota forcing dealers out? #77  
you really think $6 a pound for beef is low?. I sure don't!!..
Just because you pay $6/lb in the store doesn't mean the farmer gets that money.

I just sold a 900lb Angus steer for .82/lb.

I also sold some full cows. One cow sold for .30/lb & the other 2 sold for .15/lb. Failing dairies across the the country due to low milk prices are killing the prices for older/larger cattle.
 
   / Kubota forcing dealers out? #78  
Sounds good, Moss, but there's plenty of examples of corporate consolidation pocketing the efficiencies of scale and then raising prices because they have eliminated their competition. That's why we have anti-trust laws and that's also why potential consolidators contribute to the party in power.
I agree.

And all this arguing good or bad, high or low prices all depends on whether a person so buying or selling, receiving services or performing services, etc. and also depends on location, urban, sub-urban, or rural as to the number of competitors, if any, to choose from.

Just like the so-called "rate of inflation". It all depends on a persons individual life style and location. The same rate does not apply to everyone.
 
   / Kubota forcing dealers out? #79  
Regarding airline pricing...
From here:
What Flights Used to Cost in the '''Golden Age''' of Air Travel | Travel + Leisure

"Until the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, airlines were considered a public utility and airfares were set by the federal government, which ensured airlines always made more than enough money.

Even after deregulation, a basic domestic round-trip airfare in 1979 averaged $615.82 in today's money. That average fare dropped to $344.22 by 2016. Fees have risen dramatically from the equivalent of $1.65 in 1979 to $22.70 by 2016, but even with those fees added back in, airfares are much cheaper."

The partial deregulation of the airlines is one of the best modern examples of the cost of government regulation. Better than 50% reduction in cost to consumers, and that's not counting the cost of running the adminstrative agencies in the first place.
 
   / Kubota forcing dealers out? #80  
I live in between 2 huge unrelated Kub dealers, they both carry the entire line with million$ in stock. One is 40 km to the north , other is 30 km south.

Now get this...given my home address I am only allowed to purchase new machinery from the one to the north.

I dont know if its an agreement only between those 2 or if it is a countrywide Kubota policy.


If they told me I can’t do buisness with this dealer because of my location I would be on the phone to kabota telling them why I am not buying a kubota.
I will and have even against similar policies done buisness with the dealer I feel most comfortable with.
This is a big problem in our society today the customer has forgotten that without our money the business can’t survive. Be vocal and demand your terms or no sale!
 

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