Buying Advice Sick and tired of low quality riding lawnmowers

   / Sick and tired of low quality riding lawnmowers #171  
Two words .... Planned Obsolescence

If they make items that last 100 years, what do they do when everyone that wants one has one and they don't break down or fail? If they make items that fail every 5-10 years, they get to sell more to the same people. How many brand loyalists will repeatedly buy the same brand based on perceived reputation, deserved or not?
 
   / Sick and tired of low quality riding lawnmowers #172  
I would buy a $1500 riding mower in a heartbeat if my 26 year old Craftsman were to suffer a catastrophic failure. At almost 70yo it would be stupid to waste money on a top of the line mower. I already did that in buying my tractor! tsk,tsk
 
   / Sick and tired of low quality riding lawnmowers
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#173  
but that no company is interested in satisfying that demand and making that profit - that would be a pretty glaring inefficiency in the market. Seems unlikely to me.

Because it wouldn't be "that profit", it would be a lesser profit, and the CEO's & upper management would not be making 200-400X what the employees make. Stop and think of who has benefited the most from globalization. It's not the people buying cheap Chinese crap from Wal-Mart... Would a company go out and deliberately make less profit in this culture? Probably not, and if they try the Chinese knock-off's soon show up.

However, it is easy to see how we have gotten to where we now are, the consumers didn't get us here, the corporations did.
 
   / Sick and tired of low quality riding lawnmowers #174  
i refuse to conform that is why 90% of my stuff is old and i love it - kinda like the bible, god hasnt changed we did
 
   / Sick and tired of low quality riding lawnmowers #175  
A little change can be good. The Wife received a robot vacuum for Christmas a couple years ago and liked it. She enjoys the quietness of cordless tools and just bought herself a 40 volt cordless lawnmower. She mows almost every weekend now.
 
   / Sick and tired of low quality riding lawnmowers #176  
Because it wouldn't be "that profit", it would be a lesser profit, and the CEO's & upper management would not be making 200-400X what the employees make. Stop and think of who has benefited the most from globalization. It's not the people buying cheap Chinese crap from Wal-Mart... Would a company go out and deliberately make less profit in this culture? Probably not, and if they try the Chinese knock-off's soon show up.

However, it is easy to see how we have gotten to where we now are, the consumers didn't get us here, the corporations did.

Rich get richer I agree. But as a consumer I have benefited as well if you stop and think about it. But what you say is somewhat true. End of the day the rich getting richer is not a new story and I dont buy into that sob story all to much. I can control what I can control and nothing more. I wasnt born into money so the only way I am getting it is working for it or the lotto.
 
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   / Sick and tired of low quality riding lawnmowers #177  
The reason that mowers have stratified into two camps, the high quality but prohibitively expensive units epitomized by the 7 Series Deere, and the low cost, but not as robust mowers like the Cub Cadet, Simplicity, and various Husqvarna models is cost. Many are wishing for the good old days when mowers were built like tanks, and are perceived to last forever.

Problem is, those mowers were expensive to build, and cost a lot more in todayç—´ dollars than you think.

With a few exceptions, nobody made money selling those tanks at prices consumers would pay, so, one by one, they disappeared from the market via bankruptcy, merger, or just redefining and redesigning the product to a price point that the customers will pay.

The op has a clear choice here: belly up and pay the $7-10k that a so called å¡—igh quality mower costs, or buy the $3000 Husqvarna that fits his budget.

The Ford mower that he gets teary eyed about doesn稚 exist in the market anymore. Ford got out of that business years ago because it was a new unprofitable drag on corporate earnings.

No company can exist selling $10k mowers for $3000. International Harvester went through that in the late 1970s. The Cadet lawn and garden tractor was ranked up there with the equivalent Deere models for performance and reliability, but it was a money looser, so new lower cost, albeit not as robust, were added to the line. They sold like gang busters, but aren稚 considered as desirable today. International eventually spun off the entire lawn and garden business.

Similarly, Simplicity is now part of Briggs. The consumer voted, and low cost won.
 
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i refuse to conform that is why 90% of my stuff is old and i love it - kinda like the bible, god hasnt changed we did

Yeah, I guess I am the same way. My equipment ranges from 1968 (CAT D6C) to 1993 (Ford 575D), nothing newer. I will probably just scan CL for equipment and fix it up and not buy any "globally sourced" junk.
 
   / Sick and tired of low quality riding lawnmowers #179  
I've never had a riding mower and doubt I ever will....but this thread has made me curious about their quality. If there are low quality riding lawnmowers there must also be high quality ones.
What models are the higher quality ones? And why not simply get one of those?
rScotty
You get what you pay for.I bit the bullet back in 2011 and purchased my JD X740 diesel with a 7 iron deck.Not cheap by any means but never had any issues to date.
 

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   / Sick and tired of low quality riding lawnmowers #180  
I would like to say something I believe is based on fact,feel free to disagree and point out why I'm wrong. Mfgrs could make one simple change (actually,go back to) that will dramaticly increase engine life. Use up-flow carburetors with air intake lower than port leading to intake valve on gravity fed systems. Applicable to pump fed to a lesser but still serious degree. As it stand's,when the carburetor float,needle,seat or diaphragm mal-function's,gas enter's crankcase. 80% of consumers will continue running engine until it no longer starts. If the no start happen's before engine seizes or throw's a rod,engine life has been reduced by 75% even if carb is rebuilt/replaced. Of the 20% that repair at early sign of hard start and/or puff of smoke on start-up,some amount of damage has already occurred. Smart 20%,right? Well maybe,but there's 50-50 chance the same problem will return within days. Most will think it's not worthwhile doing again, just run it till it stop's(which will be soon). Why did it fail again so quickly? Here's something you can take away,even if you haven't heard anything new up to this point. Before installing new carb kit ,put it in a sealed container of gas to soak a day or two. Better still,50-50 mix of gas and denatured alcohol because from one day to the next,station to station,% of ethanol can vary. Soft parts in many kits will be ruined when exposed to alcohol. You will see deformation,wrinkling or other signs if parts aren't resistant. I realize some may use ethanol free or have some snake oil solution but that doesn't apply to most consumers. I'm just telling you one simple thing mfgrs could do to increase engine life without increasing production cost.
 

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