Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Agvg]

Yes, the sosial profile on lot of the new green politics are not the best, using tax on purchase of fuel, electric power etc has a big impact on those that has low income, but so far nobody seems to care as long as they have moved in to the well payed middle-class.

 

[Industrial Toys]

On the other side of the coin. Canadian Government gives so much to the Welfare society and new immigrants, that giving them new electric vehicles wouldn't be a stretch at all.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Saw something that pointed out that the Government incentives for electric cars basically subsidize the rich. That's pretty much the only one able to afford them.

Saw another Documentary on an enourmous Indian Solar Farm. They kept talking about all this clean energy saying nothing of the tens of thousands of very "dirty" toxic solar panels.

It ended with talk about bringing "light" into so many poor Indian Households. Gosh, I hope they don't need that "light" at night! How typically STUPID!

It is true the wealthy people are the early drivers of technology adoption. In 1970 I saw my first 4 function calculator that a doctor had purchased for $100 when some new cars were selling for under $2000. Now the 4 function calculators are basically free and entry level new cars are a bit more than$1500 to $2000.

In fact it is the rich that provides for many of the jobs in the USA. As Agvg mentioned that are EV's geared for the working man or woman. Our new to us 2016 Nissan Leaf SL with the 4 exterior camera option is the nicest quality of car with the most comfort features that we have ever own. With 2 remaining years of power train coverage and 5 more years for the battery and with only 21K miles for <$15K is an option for the many people that do not drive more than 30-60 mile round trips a day.

In looking at what is in the pipeline at Nissan EV wise I really do not see a compelling reason today that would lead me to buy a Tesla down the road. At the age of 68 and all crippled up with arthritis the last 40 years I am just looking for service today and self driving implementation down the road. Lane keeping and automatic braking would be nice soon however. Plus how many Nissan cars do you hear about getting "keyed"?

My Leaf is the first electric car around here that many have ever seen. I did not even know Nissan was an advanced leader in EV's world wide until a few months ago. I hear people saying things like "I can see an EV purchase down the road." Seeing EV charging stations popping up is helping people grasp the EV's are here and here to stay.

With 80% of our money spent on gas just going to dump bad stuff into the air is starting to click in red neck land. This is actually a paradigm shift that I did not see coming to fly over country in the USA. Having two 22 year old kids that some day may have kids of their own can help some of us to think beyond the few remaining years we have to live.

In the 60's people started buying cars with AC then it seemed like over night most all homes got AC window units then came central heat and air. Where will the EV revolution take us next I wonder?

 

[Fuddy1952]

It is true the wealthy people are the early drivers of technology adoption. In 1970 I saw my first 4 function calculator that a doctor had purchased for $100 when some new cars were selling for under $2000. Now the 4 function calculators are basically free and entry level new cars are a bit more than$1500 to $2000.

In fact it is the rich that provides for many of the jobs in the USA. As Agvg mentioned that are EV's geared for the working man or woman. Our new to us 2016 Nissan Leaf SL with the 4 exterior camera option is the nicest quality of car with the most comfort features that we have ever own. With 2 remaining years of power train coverage and 5 more years for the battery and with only 21K miles for <$15K is an option for the many people that do not drive more than 30-60 mile round trips a day.

In looking at what is in the pipeline at Nissan EV wise I really do not see a compelling reason today that would lead me to buy a Tesla down the road. At the age of 68 and all crippled up with arthritis the last 40 years I am just looking for service today and self driving implementation down the road. Lane keeping and automatic braking would be nice soon however. Plus how many Nissan cars do you hear about getting "keyed"?

My Leaf is the first electric car around here that many have ever seen. I did not even know Nissan was an advanced leader in EV's world wide until a few months ago. I hear people saying things like "I can see an EV purchase down the road." Seeing EV charging stations popping up is helping people grasp the EV's are here and here to stay.

With 80% of our money spent on gas just going to dump bad stuff into the air is starting to click in red neck land. This is actually a paradigm shift that I did not see coming to fly over country in the USA. Having two 22 year old kids that some day may have kids of their own can help some of us to think beyond the few remaining years we have to live.

In the 60's people started buying cars with AC then it seemed like over night most all homes got AC window units then came central heat and air. Where will the EV revolution take us next I wonder?

I liked some things you said except "With 80% of our money spent on gas just going to dump bad stuff into the air is starting to click in red neck land."

The misconception is the ev is this clean, great for the environment solution...except you have to factor in all the pollution created in it's manufacturer, the pollution created charging it (power comes from it's source), pollution created by batteries (they were manufactured, then replaced/"recycled").
They're still unappealing to many because gas stations are everywhere, it takes 5 minutes to fill up. Charging stations are not as prevalent and time consuming.

By the way...what is/where is "red neck land?" I have tractors, a truck, farm, animals. I guess I'm a redneck.

 

[Agvg]

Most EV here I Norway are in urban and semi urban areas, out in the country many chooses chargeable hybrids, if you have 30 to 40km range, you can drive a lot on electric. If you live very rural the point of EV and hybrids are not important, a ICE today are quit clean and on the mountain or the woods it is no local pollution problem.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I liked some things you said except "With 80% of our money spent on gas just going to dump bad stuff into the air is starting to click in red neck land."

The misconception is the ev is this clean, great for the environment solution...except you have to factor in all the pollution created in it's manufacturer, the pollution created charging it (power comes from it's source), pollution created by batteries (they were manufactured, then replaced/"recycled").
They're still unappealing to many because gas stations are everywhere, it takes 5 minutes to fill up. Charging stations are not as prevalent and time consuming.

By the way...what is/where is "red neck land?" I have tractors, a truck, farm, animals. I guess I'm a redneck.

Fuddy1952 you make a good point and ask a good question. Red Neck is a subjective term and should never be used in a public forum. In our music we use the term in different ways. She Thanks My Tractor Is Sexy is one example and booklets like You Might Be a Red Neck if .... are some examples that come to mind.

Gas is not going away just like the horse and buggy I was following down the street in Murray KY yesterday is not going away soon. Electric vehicles will be most common I expect some day only if they make the most $$$ sense. The health issues of gas and diesel are driving the move to EV's in places like some cities in CA and China. In the USA fleet operators are using electrical trucks to improve their average emissions like the EPA and other standards setting agencies goals on pollution etc.

 

[Egon]

Tell that to people that drive twelve year old beaters.

Twelve years old?? That痴 just about like new to me.

 

[/pine]

It is true the wealthy people are the early drivers of technology adoption. In 1970 I saw my first 4 function calculator that a doctor had purchased for $100 when some new cars were selling for under $2000. Now the 4 function calculators are basically free and entry level new cars are a bit more than$1500 to $2000.

In fact it is the rich that provides for many of the jobs in the USA. As Agvg mentioned that are EV's geared for the working man or woman. Our new to us 2016 Nissan Leaf SL with the 4 exterior camera option is the nicest quality of car with the most comfort features that we have ever own. With 2 remaining years of power train coverage and 5 more years for the battery and with only 21K miles for <$15K is an option for the many people that do not drive more than 30-60 mile round trips a day.

In looking at what is in the pipeline at Nissan EV wise I really do not see a compelling reason today that would lead me to buy a Tesla down the road. At the age of 68 and all crippled up with arthritis the last 40 years I am just looking for service today and self driving implementation down the road. Lane keeping and automatic braking would be nice soon however. Plus how many Nissan cars do you hear about getting "keyed"?

My Leaf is the first electric car around here that many have ever seen. I did not even know Nissan was an advanced leader in EV's world wide until a few months ago. I hear people saying things like "I can see an EV purchase down the road." Seeing EV charging stations popping up is helping people grasp the EV's are here and here to stay.

With 80% of our money spent on gas just going to dump bad stuff into the air is starting to click in red neck land. This is actually a paradigm shift that I did not see coming to fly over country in the USA. Having two 22 year old kids that some day may have kids of their own can help some of us to think beyond the few remaining years we have to live.

In the 60's people started buying cars with AC then it seemed like over night most all homes got AC window units then came central heat and air. Where will the EV revolution take us next I wonder?

What you don't seem to realize is the advancement of technology in the last 80 years or so started with military research...it is hard to find a piece of modern electronic technology that cannot be directly related to the space program of the 60's...
...It is endeavors that advance technology...not opportunities...

 

[aczlan]

Twelve years old?? That痴 just about like new to me.

Same here, my daily driver is a 2008 with over 200k miles, my wife drives a 2005 with 177k miles. Both are going strong.

Aaron Z

 

[Snobdds]

It is true the wealthy people are the early drivers of technology adoption. In 1970 I saw my first 4 function calculator that a doctor had purchased for $100 when some new cars were selling for under $2000. Now the 4 function calculators are basically free and entry level new cars are a bit more than$1500 to $2000.

In fact it is the rich that provides for many of the jobs in the USA. As Agvg mentioned that are EV's geared for the working man or woman. Our new to us 2016 Nissan Leaf SL with the 4 exterior camera option is the nicest quality of car with the most comfort features that we have ever own. With 2 remaining years of power train coverage and 5 more years for the battery and with only 21K miles for <$15K is an option for the many people that do not drive more than 30-60 mile round trips a day.

In looking at what is in the pipeline at Nissan EV wise I really do not see a compelling reason today that would lead me to buy a Tesla down the road. At the age of 68 and all crippled up with arthritis the last 40 years I am just looking for service today and self driving implementation down the road. Lane keeping and automatic braking would be nice soon however. Plus how many Nissan cars do you hear about getting "keyed"?

My Leaf is the first electric car around here that many have ever seen. I did not even know Nissan was an advanced leader in EV's world wide until a few months ago. I hear people saying things like "I can see an EV purchase down the road." Seeing EV charging stations popping up is helping people grasp the EV's are here and here to stay.

With 80% of our money spent on gas just going to dump bad stuff into the air is starting to click in red neck land. This is actually a paradigm shift that I did not see coming to fly over country in the USA. Having two 22 year old kids that some day may have kids of their own can help some of us to think beyond the few remaining years we have to live.

In the 60's people started buying cars with AC then it seemed like over night most all homes got AC window units then came central heat and air. Where will the EV revolution take us next I wonder?

This sounds a bit, "I'm better than you" type of thinking. It is very prevalent in EV ownership it seems.

Yet, to date, EV are probably bigger polluters than regular IC engines when factoring in all the energy and process to make the EV go.

Again, all EV do is move the pollution around, they actually don't decrease the pollution.