Corona Virus #7

[cqaigy2]

The new MedCram was talking of treatments that were done before antibiotics. The goal was to keep you from getting pneumonia because there wasn't antibiotics to treat it. They used different methods to bring temperature up to boost innate immune. One method, was to give the person malaria. They also worked with water baths, to bring temp up, and found that along with that, if they dropped the temp, so high temps followed by cold temps, increase the survival rate. They showed the level of monocytes and NK cells of people with Covid-19 were low, indicating suppressed innate immune response.

So apparently, back in the good ole days, before antibiotics, that if you got sick say from a flu, they would treat you to keep you from getting pneumonia. Compared to now, the doctor says come back when you exhibit pneumonia like conditions. They referenced other studies that showed increase of monocytes and NK cells when people used something called hypo and hyperthermic baths. So maybe a hot shower followed with cold might have beneficial effects of your innate immune system. I get that when my wife fires up the washing machine.

 

[rswyan]

Pennsylvania governor to issue stay-at-home order for whole state: report | TheHill

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[Gale Hawkins]

This virus is making a lot of sad stories.
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[IslandTractor]

The new MedCram was talking of treatments that were done before antibiotics. The goal was to keep you from getting pneumonia because there wasn't antibiotics to treat it. They used different methods to bring temperature up to boost innate immune. One method, was to give the person malaria. They also worked with water baths, to bring temp up, and found that along with that, if they dropped the temp, so high temps followed by cold temps, increase the survival rate. They showed the level of monocytes and NK cells of people with Covid-19 were low, indicating suppressed innate immune response.

So apparently, back in the good ole days, before antibiotics, that if you got sick say from a flu, they would treat you to keep you from getting pneumonia. Compared to now, the doctor says come back when you exhibit pneumonia like conditions. They referenced other studies that showed increase of monocytes and NK cells when people used something called hypo and hyperthermic baths. So maybe a hot shower followed with cold might have beneficial effects of your innate immune system. I get that when my wife fires up the washing machine.

Not sure what your source is but there are things here that make no sense at all. For starters, you are talking about treatment in the pre antibiotic era, before WWII, but you mention that studies showed an increase in “NK” cells. NK cells were not even discovered until the 1970’s, 30-35 years after we routinely used antibiotics in treatment of pneumonia. What is your source? I hope it’s not the well known bozo Dr Google.

 

[California]

I believe bleach has a expiration date . . .

Bleach is chemically active and degrades quickly. I bought a used 600 gallon tank (photo) from a municipal water district, that had held a more concentrated version for chlorinating water. They put it on Ebay ($80!) when they went to something larger. The tech said it had been rinsed then the rapid decomposition of sodium hypochlorite (bleach) guaranteed it was now neutral. I rinsed it again to be sure. The rinse water didn't hurt the lawn.

You need fresh bleach or else need to research how fast what you have, degrades.

 

[newbury]

Thanks IT!



I believe bleach has a expiration date . . .

Bleach is chemically active and degrades quickly. I bought a used 600 gallon tank (photo) from a municipal water district, that had held a more concentrated version for chlorinating water. They put it on Ebay ($80!) when they went to something larger. The tech said it had been rinsed then the rapid decomposition of sodium hypochlorite (bleach) guaranteed it was now neutral. I rinsed it again to be sure. The rinse water didn't hurt the lawn.

You need fresh bleach or else need to research how fast what you have, degrades.

I use a lot of bleach, mainly for prepping wood decks around my pool. A gallon will degrade in strength in 6 months.

Bleach can expire. After a shelf life of six months, bleach starts to degrade. Even in its original bottle, bleach becomes 20 percent less effective as each year goes by. Bleach mixed with water at a 1:9 ratio (i.e. 10 percent bleach) is potent for about a day (it's more unstable in its diluted form).

 

[Jstpssng]

Some of have to eat. My three week supply is running out. And the government is not helping by telling us exactly where and how many are sick.

In order to do that they would need to know themselves. To determine that, testing would have to be a lot more widespread.
I am out and about more than I probably should be, the nearest known CV-19 case is at least 75 miles from where I've been in the last 2 weeks. Everytime that I leave a store I wash my hands in a bleach/water solution. The only thing that I really miss is a good loaf of bread, but that would be a rather petty thing to get upset about.

 

[California]

This virus is making a lot of sad stories.
NYC hospital resumes use of forklift to move bodies amid coronavirus

Similar sad stories everywhere. A friend with contacts in Ecuador said Guayaquil (seaport at approximately the westernmost point of South America) has bodies lined along streets because the ambulance, funeral, and cemetery businesses can't legally proceed without a Coroner's death certificate - while nobody from government or from those businesses can be found. That whole province is shut down, and has been sealed off from the rest of the country to prevent spread of the covid-19 epidemic there.

I read a similar story from Italy, an ice rink as a temporary morgue.

 

[IslandTractor]

I use a lot of bleach, mainly for prepping wood decks around my pool. A gallon will degrade in strength in 6 months.

Bleach does degrade but the rule of thumb is that diluted bleach loses half its antimicrobial activity in a month. As you want about 500ppm to kill virus reliably, making up. 1000ppm solution (1:50 dilution of bottled Clorox for example) gives you a working dilution that should be good for a month and still have 500ppm of free chlorine at the end of the month. Even simpler is to use half a cup of Clorox 4oz in a gallon 128 oz of water. That’s about 1500ppm so is easily active for a month.

Remember the higher the concentration the shorter the time is needed to kill virus. Don’t dry surfaces after disinfecting solution is applied. Be generous and let it evaporate.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Nearly 3, sailors to leave carrier amid virus outbreak

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