just when you thought you knew what stupid was

[MickeyDBC]

From day one, "they" said, EVERYONE" would get this. Just try and slow down the spread to get healthcare up to speed. 99 point something recovery rate, with most dying that have preexisting conditions.

Now, this push, that no one is suppposed to contract it, like it's the plague. I don't get it.

At first it was thought if you get it and were reasonably healthy and not super old, you would get sick as a dog but would fully recover. Now they are finding that around 25% to 33% of people are taking forever to recover and have significant lung damage, possible brain injuries, and heart problems and doctors don't have a good idea why.

A neighbor of mine who is at least 15 years younger than me and was always super energetic and healthy developed rapid onset heart failure and finally got a heart transplant last month and was very lucky to be alive. What I heard second hand from two other neighbors was that the doctors thought it was viral but because it was so early in the pandemic and he had not gone to China he did not get tested early on, but the timing now seems to point to a possible covid infection. Not trying to make a political issue out of this, but wearing a mask and avoiding crowds seems pretty prudent right now.

 

[MickeyDBC]

Geeze...!

Did you even read any of the thousands of data reports that are out there...NOBODY is saying masks are not SOMEWHAT effective...most analysis's use the words "can" and "may" be effective....

It's a fact that the COVID virus can be transmitted via ones eyes either by droplet contact or secondary means (touching with a hand etc)...masks are not virus magnets...if there are infected droplets around your mask they are also around your eyes and hands etc...
...If a mask stops infected droplets are they (droplets) not on the outside of the mask...are said masks not a risk to touch then?
I see people constantly touching their masks...lowering them to eat or drink etc...constantly touching them...

Masks are most efficient at keeping an infected person from spreading oral etc droplets....The problem is keeping infected people out of public places...

And that is why Dr. Fauci advised teachers who were going to be in a classroom environment and others to think about wearing goggles Fauci Suggests Wearing Goggles for Full Protection .

 

[grsthegreat]

You know this ... as a scientist?

I am actually, a scientist, and that is completely wrong. That is precisely why safeguards such as tenure at Universities, and rigorous peer review to receive grants, and then publish results, are in place.

Can bad apples abuse the system and still find loopholes? Sure? Does it happen? Yes, in very rare and isolated cases, and when it does, there are very severe and harsh repercussions. How many other jobs can you, and will you, be fired from, and never be able to find work again in the field in your lifetime, because you tried to mislead someone?

Is there pressure to perform? Yes, just like any job. The difference is ethics, integrity, and performing "good, evidence based, hypothesis driven science" is the standard by which scientists are measured. If you can't/don't/won't do that, you won't even last through graduate school, let alone develop any sort of career where you are successful.

Are politics involved? Not in the least bit.

Are there pressures for money? That's just downright laughable. Any researcher knows they could go into industry and make at least 50% more. Scientists aren't in it for the money. They're in it for the pure joy of scientific discovery.

Scientific investigation is actually free from so many of the constraints and pressures of modern industry/business that lead to unscrupulous behavior.

oh give me a break. I did research years ago at Texas Tech and was told to rethink my results as the company backing research would not approve. Research is TOTALLY biased. I wont believe any of it. I dont and wont wear mask.

If anyone with a brain just opens their eyes you will see nearly everyone forced to wear them are doing it wrong....with a cotton cloth that wont stop anything. Pulling then down overnose so you can breath negates entirething.

 

[grsthegreat]

At first it was thought if you get it and were reasonably healthy and not super old, you would get sick as a dog but would fully recover. Now they are finding that around 25% to 33% of people are taking forever to recover and have significant lung damage, possible brain injuries, and heart problems and doctors don't have a good idea why.

A neighbor of mine who is at least 15 years younger than me and was always super energetic and healthy developed rapid onset heart failure and finally got a heart transplant last month and was very lucky to be alive. What I heard second hand from two other neighbors was that the doctors thought it was viral but because it was so early in the pandemic and he had not gone to China he did not get tested early on, but the timing now seems to point to a possible covid infection. Not trying to make a political issue out of this, but wearing a mask and avoiding crowds seems pretty prudent right now.

where are you getting your data from. Last i read that over 98% recover with little or no symptoms.

 

[two_bit_score]

Geeze...!...

You can paste all the "science" you want...there is just as much "science" out there that contradicts...talk about "semantics"...LoL...!

The most supportive words in regard to the effectiveness of masks are words like "CAN" and "MAY"...

You forgot one placebo. Per Fauci himself.

 

[Diggin It]

Has anybody else heard the speculation that it's in the air and does not need a host and that some can (or maybe have) caught it without coming any where near some one else?

 

[grsthegreat]

how about the info from russia that says plain water kills it.......

 

[RSR]

Geeze...! ...Assume all you want...if you are such a learned scholar and scientist I shouldn't have to tell you how to query google with a search term like "how effective are the masks people are using"

BTW...I am not misunderstanding anything...especially science...a personal hero of mine (Richard Feynman) once said:
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts."

BTW if masks are protecting people from breathing in the virus...they are just as likely to infect themselves by touching the masks with their hands then their mouth, nose or eyes...DOH!

I don't think you nderstand the difference between crackpots on the internet, and peer-reviewed scientific research.

You will find the former going to Google. I think that is the trap you have fallen into. Basing your beliefs on unsubstantiated claims with no scientific backing.

If you want to find peer-reviewed (reliable) work, you need to use a scholarly database. This is where you find the exact work of the scientists. Not the watered down version the media presents that may be skewed by their agenda (see my earlier comments on that). An imperfect, but acceptable start, is scholar.google.com. That will return peer-reviewed journal articles. A better option is PubMed for health focused studies, or Compendex for more Engineering focused studies.

Even on scholar.google.com, search something like "covid-19 face mask", and you will be inundated with scientific publications that form a consensus around the fact that face masks are crucial to arresting the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. You won't find any saying face masks are largely pointless and are primarily symbolic (your viewpoint).

In summary, the position that face masks don't reduce airborne spread of the virus, or decrease infection risks, is completely unsupported by science. It is, however, actively supported by armchair quarterbacks, politicians with an agenda, conspiracy theorists, etc., as demonstrated by a general Google search.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

how about the info from russia that says plain water kills it.......

I read that Orange spray on tan kills it... :confused3:

 

[/pine]

I don't think you nderstand the difference between crackpots on the internet, and peer-reviewed scientific research.

You will find the former going to Google. I think that is the trap you have fallen into. Basing your beliefs on unsubstantiated claims with no scientific backing.

If you want to find peer-reviewed (reliable) work, you need to use a scholarly database. This is where you find the exact work of the scientists. Not the watered down version the media presents that may be skewed by their agenda (see my earlier comments on that). An imperfect, but acceptable start, is scholar.google.com. That will return peer-reviewed journal articles. A better option is PubMed for health focused studies, or Compendex for more Engineering focused studies.

Even on scholar.google.com, search something like "covid-19 face mask", and you will be inundated with scientific publications that form a consensus around the fact that face masks are crucial to arresting the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. You won't find any saying face masks are largely pointless and are primarily symbolic (your viewpoint).

In summary, the position that face masks don't reduce airborne spread of the virus, or decrease infection risks, is completely unsupported by science. It is, however, actively supported by armchair quarterbacks, politicians with an agenda, conspiracy theorists, etc., as demonstrated by a general Google search.

LoL...Bigfoot advocates support other bigfoot advocates...if you want to find info on the lack of evidence that supports the existence of bigfoot...you don't search on pro-bigfoot sites.... Get it yet? LoL...!