A question for a dairy farmer

   / A question for a dairy farmer #21  
Small farms have been disappearing because it's too hard to pay the bills on a small scale farm.
Property taxes are out of control nearly every where nationwide, Feed prices are double or triple, fuel prices to operate up 3-4x (I remember 60-70cent/gallon gas), medical and insurance is 5-8x higher if they even have any.

A gallon of milk back in the 70's was under $2. Today, 50 years later, you can still get milk for around $2 a gallon some places but much is closer to $3-4 gallon and most of that increase in price goes to the dairy that collects and distributes the milk and to the stores that sell it. Dairy farms barely see a 50 cent per gallon increase in 50 years. Do the math. No one today wants to work so hard for so little pay.

Property taxes here in Indiana are dirt cheap on AG land. We have 20 acres +- and pay around $500 per year. If I designate it as wildlife habitat, it would go down even further.
 
   / A question for a dairy farmer #22  
Small farms have been disappearing because it's too hard to pay the bills on a small scale farm.
Property taxes are out of control nearly every where nationwide, Feed prices are double or triple, fuel prices to operate up 3-4x (I remember 60-70cent/gallon gas), medical and insurance is 5-8x higher if they even have any.

A gallon of milk back in the 70's was under $2. Today, 50 years later, you can still get milk for around $2 a gallon some places but much is closer to $3-4 gallon and most of that increase in price goes to the dairy that collects and distributes the milk and to the stores that sell it. Dairy farms barely see a 50 cent per gallon increase in 50 years. Do the math. No one today wants to work so hard for so little pay.

Just a data point but if I amortize my fences at 10 years assuming one gallon a day it痴 costing me $5.65 a gallon for milk (fencing/equipment split between the heifer and two steers right now). That痴 only my fencing, food, cost of heifer, breeding, and dedicated equipment not land/tractors/etc. That also doesn稚 include my time which is about 40 minutes a day and an additional hour or two a week to either haul water and a bale or go get more hay. It痴 crazy to imagine the cash flows of a real dairy operation.
 
   / A question for a dairy farmer #23  
Small dairy farms are alive an well in Ohio.

They are all around me.

Yes, they cry a lot, but farmers do that, a lot.

I had to debate with myself after reading this crap whether to respond or just hope everyone else ignored it.
I would be interested in were you get your information or rather lack of it.
Especially seeing as how Ohio lost 25% of it's dairy farms from 2017 to 2019,
but I guess that's just farmers crying in there milk.
I expect that you know what I would like to actually tell you to do. But :banghead::censored:
 
   / A question for a dairy farmer #24  
Dairy cows are tested to make sure they only keep the high milk producers. If they aren't going to be high milk producers, they are culled
 
   / A question for a dairy farmer #25  
We've taken the tour at Fair Oaks a couple times. It was pretty interesting, on an industrial scale. The cows give birth and the calf is quickly weaned. They load up the calves and take them to Kentucky and Tennessee where the land is less suited for crops, but better grazing. Males are sold to beef producers. Females graze and grow for a year, are artificially inseminated, and a couple months before birth, they are trucked back up to Fair Oaks in NW Indiana. They give birth. Wean the calf. Repeat. The first-year moms then head to the milking barn where they'll spend the rest of their lives eating, sleeping, milking for 6-7 years more or less. They'll never leave that barn. There's a birthing section down at one end. Their butts are painted different colors for when they are ready to be inseminated, pregnant, or about to give birth. Once they are no longer producing enough milk to be profitable, they get sold for meat, animal byproducts, whatever they make out of old cows.

The cows eat and sleep on sand beds. Every day a machine comes through and picks up the dirty sand and replaces it with clean sand. The dirty sand goes to machines that squeeze out the manure and urine. The sand goes back to be used as bedding again. The manure and urine go through a digester that extracts methane. All of the farm vehicles, tractors, loaders, tour busses, semi trucks, etc... run on that gas. Anything that's left over gets run through a power plant the provides all the electricity for the farm and sold to the grid.

Any liquid manure/water that's left over from the process gets piped to fields where large tractors pull miles long hoses and inject the manure into the ground. I forget how many acres they control, but I recall a number of something like 30,000. Surprisingly, a lot of it is in wildlife habitat and erosion control. The rest is feed for the cows.

The last time we were there, about 2-3 years ago, they said they were running between 60-80 semi tankers of milk out of there each day! They go as far south as Georgia, and the super-insulated trailers only loose about 1-2 degrees of temperature on the way.

The also have a pig operation, where they raise pigs, then sell the piglets to pork producers.

As I mentioned, it's all pretty interesting as far as economics go. If you ever get the chance to tour it, do it. Wether you are for or against industrial farming, it's still a good idea to understand what's going on there. The last time we were there, there was a tour bus of dairy farmers from Wisconsin. We took the tour with them. The main comment I heard was that they were glad they were retired/retiring. I didn't ask them any questions, just listened.

It's all family owned as well. Several families, but still family owned.
 
   / A question for a dairy farmer #26  
A second cousin is still viable with 40 milk cows...

They found a niche market selling ownership shares of the milk cows so the owners earn money caring for and milking... this way they provide unpasteurized organic milk because they are not "Selling" milk
 
   / A question for a dairy farmer #27  
There is a farm in Falls county Texas that has a half dozen Jerseys, but it is being run as a co-op, not as a dairy, and he keeps adding to what he provides.

The dairy farmers also have a lot of rules and regulations they have to meet. From feeds & medications, handling of animals & milk, sanitation, manure disposal, etc. It is not a profession that I'd want to pursue, but I'm glad they do it since I enjoy a lot of dairy products.
 
   / A question for a dairy farmer #28  
When my wife was a Manager at one of the local hospitals, she had a friend that was also a Manager who was fed up with Obamacare, so she quite and opened up Waldo Way Dairy Farm. She and her husband already owned the farm, but it was more of a hobby, retirement project. When she quit working at the hospital, she went full bore on turning it into a profitable business. They are kind of out in the middle of nowhere, but over time, people drove there and bought their products. They now have a store just outside of Tyler and Lindale on a very busy road that is always packed when we've been there. I have no idea how much milk they are getting from their cows, but I found it interesting that in just a few years, that they where able to create a successful business from their dairy cows.

The Waldo Way Dairy Farm | 395 County Road 2482, Mineola, Texas 75773 – The Waldo Way Dairy Farm & Artisan Bakery

One of our goals for our land is to be able to raise and grow as much of our own food as possible. Our gardens are doing very well and this has encouraged us to put more energy into raising meat to eat. From reading what people have posted on here over the years, I'm leaning towards getting two Holstein bulls/steers a year and slaughtering them when they turn 2. That will give us more meat then we need, so we should be able to trade some for other things. My current project on my land is to fence in the area for them. We are also expanding our goat and chicken numbers too, but that's another topic. Since dairy bulls have no use for dairy farmers, they sell them pretty cheap here.

Holstein calves - farm & garden - by owner - sale
 
   / A question for a dairy farmer #29  
Small family operations can and do make it when they find a niche market and love what they do...

This is how several farming cousins have made a go of it...

One had a contract with a local 5 star hotel for ALL their goat cheese which won gold medals...

The Chef was a great guy and it was a good relationship.

When the Chef retired at 75 the replacement was in his 30's and made lots of demands... wanted more production at lower cost...

My cousin said it was no longer fun anymore and dropped the hotel... now only farmers market which is OK but it does take a good part each Saturday to market there.

The ownership group reached out several months later saying guest comments mentioned the cheese... but by that time cousin had moved on... From what I understand the new guy was just like some of the TV shows dictating...

Small business depends heavily on working relationships... word of mouth can make or break you.

They also sell lots of eggs... a refer is out front and on the honor system... people stop and pick up flats and deposit cash in a drop box... that would never fly here but semi rural where everyone knows each other it works...

When I was visiting... I went to the cooler to buy some eggs... that did not go over well being family... she told the boys to put some in my car...
 
   / A question for a dairy farmer #30  
Interesting article Eddie on the Waldo Farm - it's takes a quality product, marketing and then the organic/fresh/raw momentum helps make it successful.

Your thought on getting several calves is a good idea for your own meat, but you would be better off with an Angus/Charolais cross or Herford calf/steer as they yield a more meat (15-20% more typical) than the Holstein / dairy cows or steers as dairy cows/steers have a very large bone frame which is good to produce milk but less so for beef.

If you are going to feed something for two years assuming 60-70% grass fed, then rest in purchased grain and hay you want to maximize the yield and also if you plan to trade/barter the angus or simllar beef is a better choice.
 

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