Why are people in Indianapolis going postal.

[Hay Dude]

I always count on my fingers when I run across statistics like that. Cops gun down about 1000 people a year. Without splitting them up by race, that would mean 18,000 cops are shot to death each year. A quick google finds that 49 cops died by gunfire in the US in 2020.

Your statistic is just racist hate propaganda.

2020

453 law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty in 2020.

www.odmp.org

no, it’s not, because you failed to account for the fact that there’s far fewer cops in America (635,781) than black men (20.4 million). Its not a “1 to 1” ratio. Your math formula is incorrect.
This is a prime example of how we are being brainwashed with false media narratives every day, then the resulting comment “just racist hate propaganda“ follows. As a result people start hating each other. It’s unnecessary and spreads more hate.

Bloomberg 2015:
”According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, 18 law enforcement officers were killed by Black men that year. According to the Washington Post’s database of police killings, which a BJS survey found to be pretty accurate, 36 unarmed Black men were killed by the police. There were 635,781 police officers and sheriff’s deputies in the U.S. in 2015, according to the FBI, and 20.4 million Black men, according to the Census Bureau. I’m not quite sure how Mac Donald ascertained how many of the nation’s Black men were unarmed, but I just assumed they all were.

In both cases the odds of being killed were quite small: 2.8 deaths per 100,000 in the case of police and 0.18 for unarmed Black men. Divide the former by the latter and you get a ratio of 16, close enough to Mac Donald’s 18.5”

And once again, for the record, they aren’t MY statistics. They are Heather MacDonalds from her book ”The War on Cops” and they have been researched and critiqued pretty thoroughly.

If the cops shoot one person undeservedly, it’s a tragedy, but not teaching all citizens to comply during an arrest resulting in a police shooting or worse, a death is also a tragedy. And it’s mostly preventable.

 

[Hay Dude]

I saw post 136, but other than seeing what appears to be a white man with a AR type rifle, you gave NO information on it other than a date.

What I think is if the shooter hand't been killed in a shootout with cops later, he should of been killed. What do you honestly think my reaction should be?

Please don't think me stupid enough to not realize that being a LEO is a very dangerous job.

However, I would also respectfully argue that just because a man willingly takes on a dangerous job, that same job should not infringe upon those rights of the people he's supposed to be protecting.

At the end of the day, I suspect good LEO's outnumber the bad ones by a good margin, it's just the bad ones make the news over the last decade due to technology.

Deamonizing the police by the general pubic is no different than the general public deamonizing the Terrier's breed group in dogs or guys that actually own guns because they like to shoot, even if they're "evil" black rifles.

I didn’t infer that you are stupid at all, maybe a bit emotional, but that’s understandable

When you say “infringe upon rights”, not sure what you mean. When you are pulled over on suspicion of something, you don’t have the “rights” to fight with cops, resist arrest, or drive off. Not without more serious consequences. That’s how citizens and cops get hurt or killed. I agree that cops going crazy on someone for an unregistered vehicle or minor traffic violation isn’t right, either.

The inference I am trying to make with the New Mexico cop is that the “news” media is not giving equal air time to cops being killed by citizens as time is given (practically a non stop running loop) of cops killing citizens. And plenty of cops are being assaulted and killed by citizens.

5 Dallas cops were murdered a few years back, and little to no acknowledgement for their sacrifice was given. Dallas Police 'Ambush': 12 Officers Shot, 5 Killed During Protest

The media reports are fewer and smaller when a cop is killed and although they have no more rights than an ordinary citizen, they should have the right to be covered equally by the media when they are murdered.
One other point I would like to make is when Mayors of major cities allow their police forces to be drenched in buckets of water, spit on, cruel insults hurled at them and humiliated in other ways, it opens the door for further, more violent acts. Those acts are now pervasive in our society. Why not make some time to encourage citizens to not resist arrest?
The same clowns who will then call the police to help them when they are in trouble.
Cops are getting a raw deal in the media. Yes, the bad ones should be weeded out, but the good ones are holding the line between us and anarchy. When our leaders refer to them as “storm troopers” “racist”, and other negative connotations like that are used, it’s shameful painting of a group with a very broad brush.
When our “leaders” degrade and dehumanize cops, isnt disrespect and resisting arrest a logical next step?
Maybe our ”leaders” are fueling the fire of citizens being killed by cops?

 

[ultrarunner]

Add to that all manor of disease and contagion on the streets today...

Coming from a hospital environment and all of the precautions in place makes me wonder why First Responders are willing to do the job but this also goes sewer and sanitation workers too.

Dad said several things that resonate... only one chance to make a good impression and don't provide an excuse for bad things to happen...

There are enough crazy people out there as it is...

 

[jjp8182]

Several of these posts have reminded me of what one officer I worked with (worked as a dispatcher through college) said when someone drove past and waved at him and another officer. The other officer asked him if he knew the individuals and he responded along the lines of "if they were waving with all five fingers probably not".

He was actually a pretty decent guy who had worked both law enforcement and paramedic/ambulance crew. He (along with many of the other officers) had accrued some interesting stories.

The mentioning of militarization of the police forces arguably goes beyond the equipment and could/should likely include the hiring of former military police directly into civilian police agencies. Not always a bad thing, but there's definitely a difference in the two jobs and the population they're working law enforcement around.

 

[MossRoad]

no, it’s not, because you failed to account for the fact that there’s far fewer cops in America (635,781) than black men (20.4 million). Its not a “1 to 1” ratio. Your math formula is incorrect.
This is a prime example of how we are being brainwashed with false media narratives every day, then the resulting comment “just racist hate propaganda“ follows. As a result people start hating each other. It’s unnecessary and spreads more hate.

Bloomberg 2015:
”According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, 18 law enforcement officers were killed by Black men that year. According to the Washington Post’s database of police killings, which a BJS survey found to be pretty accurate, 36 unarmed Black men were killed by the police. There were 635,781 police officers and sheriff’s deputies in the U.S. in 2015, according to the FBI, and 20.4 million Black men, according to the Census Bureau. I’m not quite sure how Mac Donald ascertained how many of the nation’s Black men were unarmed, but I just assumed they all were.

In both cases the odds of being killed were quite small: 2.8 deaths per 100,000 in the case of police and 0.18 for unarmed Black men. Divide the former by the latter and you get a ratio of 16, close enough to Mac Donald’s 18.5”

And once again, for the record, they aren’t MY statistics. They are Heather MacDonalds from her book ”The War on Cops” and they have been researched and critiqued pretty thoroughly.

If the cops shoot one person undeservedly, it’s a tragedy, but not teaching all citizens to comply during an arrest resulting in a police shooting or worse, a death is also a tragedy. And it’s mostly preventable.

Don't ever complain again about me or anyone else posting links.

 

[Hay Dude]

Don't ever complain again about me or anyone else posting links.

Well, our leaders here on TBN seem to do it all the time.
”When in Rome.....”

 

[ikoflexer]

In most of those countries the governments do the mass killing.

Poor swedes, danes, dutch, and so many other "democracies", butchered in mass by their own brutal dictators and not able to stand up to the oppression because they can't buy guns at the convenience store with not more than a smile.

The problem is not having a gun culture as much as having a sick gun culture. This will never change in the US, in my opinion.

 

[MossRoad]

Well, our leaders here on TBN seem to do it all the time.
”When in Rome.....”

Seems to be a good idea to post the source of the information.

 

[jjp8182]

Well, our leaders here on TBN seem to do it all the time.
”When in Rome.....”

Just me I think I'd prefer to do as the Romans did (i.e. the same thing everywhere they went and those who didn't like it.....well, they had a problem that was theirs)

Though seeing as how a couple branches of my family seem to have originated from places that held off the Roman Empire, and one branch apparently from the region that played a part in bringing the Roman Empire to an end ..... this "barbarian" may have inherited a few traits

 

[Hay Dude]

Seems to be a good idea to post the source of the information.

Depends on who the sources are.
”Sources” can be extremely tainted and unreliable.
I prefer math sources over emotion/hyperbole sources