Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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Call AAA. They will send somebody with an F-150 Lightning out to give you a jump. 😏
Speaking of the F150 Lightning, that truck looks amazing. I love the idea of their "frunk" that gives you the convenience of lockable storage in front to go along with the open bed in back.

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That and the ability to power your home for anywhere from 3 to 10 days during a blackout, or run real power tools anywhere your truck can go. They had almost 50,000 preorders within the first 48 hours. Still trying to decide if I want to preorder or just wait until they hit the lots. Either way it may be a couple years before regular folks can walk in and buy one.
 
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Speaking of the F150 Lightning, that truck looks amazing. I love the idea of their "frunk" that gives you the convenience of lockable storage in front to go along with the open bed in back.

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That and the ability to power your home for anywhere from 3 to 10 days during a blackout, or run real power tools anywhere your truck can go. They had almost 50,000 preorders within the first 48 hours. Still trying to decide if I want to preorder or just wait until they hit the lots. Either way it may be a couple years before regular folks can walk in and buy one.

Looks like you could build a "COE"/forward-cab model pretty easily with electric. I realize COE style has comfort issues but they're great for getting a 12' bed in a short vehicle with great visibility for cities.
 
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How much more does a F-150 "Lightning" cost over the same truck with an ICE, equipped the same?

What happens to that 1,800 lb. battery cell when it fails in the future?

How detrimental to the environment is the factory that manufactures all those battery packs? The emissions they emit alone are equivalent to MANY modern ICE trucks I'll bet.

With a 180 kWh battery pack that will cost $25ish bucks every time you charge it, and can realistically only take you <250 miles, how will you ever save money over the current modern ICE trucks that are seeing $0.10 to $0.12 per mile on 87 octane pump gas or diesel?

How much does it cost to have a licensed electrician convert one of your garage outlets to 240V power so that you don't have to spend two full days charging this truck?

How much of that <250 mile range are you going to lose when you hook a trailer to this truck?

What happens when you decide to go on a long trip and there are only a handful of places to stop and charge the truck overnight?

How are we going to generate enough electricity to constantly charge hundreds of millions of these huge battery packs across the nation daily?

I think that EVs are a political gimmick to try and reel people in to believing that the government is doing something great for them, but those people aren't taking the time to give this any rational thought.
 
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Speaking of the F150 Lightning, that truck looks amazing. I love the idea of their "frunk" that gives you the convenience of lockable storage in front to go along with the open bed in back.

View attachment 700163

That and the ability to power your home for anywhere from 3 to 10 days during a blackout, or run real power tools anywhere your truck can go. They had almost 50,000 preorders within the first 48 hours. Still trying to decide if I want to preorder or just wait until they hit the lots. Either way it may be a couple years before regular folks can walk in and buy one.
I did not know about the "frunk". Reminds me of a VW beetle. Good use of space. I do wonder if someone puts something pointy in there and gets in a head-on collision and the pointy thing comes through the firewall and impales them, though. I'm thinking baseball bats. Lacrosse sticks. Rifle barrels. Stuff like that.
 
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In some euro country it is illegal to advertise a new vehicle as being better for the environment, because no matter how effiecient it is, producing a new vehicle is worse for the environment that driving an old one. Most of the claims on cereal boxes are blocked out for being false also.
 
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In some euro country it is illegal to advertise a new vehicle as being better for the environment, because no matter how effiecient it is, producing a new vehicle is worse for the environment that driving an old one.
Can you share a link to this information? I searched quite a bit but couldn't find anything that would confirm this.
 
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How much more does a F-150 "Lightning" cost over the same truck with an ICE, equipped the same?
The Lightning offers things a regular F150 cannot so it's hard to compare, plus final pricing isn't out yet. From what I've seen it'll probably about the same as the current model with the Pro Power Onboard option.

What happens to that 1,800 lb. battery cell when it fails in the future?
They will be recycled into new batteries: Where Electric Car Batteries Go When They Die

How detrimental to the environment is the factory that manufactures all those battery packs? The emissions they emit alone are equivalent to MANY modern ICE trucks I'll bet.
Some estimate say it can create up to 15% more emissions to manufacture an EV but since 75% of all emissions come during the driving phase, total emissions are significantly less over the lifetime of that vehicle.

With a 180 kWh battery pack that will cost $25ish bucks every time you charge it, and can realistically only take you <250 miles, how will you ever save money over the current modern ICE trucks that are seeing $0.10 to $0.12 per mile on 87 octane pump gas or diesel?
It depends on how much you pay for electricity, how much you pay for gas, and the kind of mileage you get, but the cost to recharge an EV is far less than the cost to fuel your ICE: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-ev/. That doesn't even include the additional cost of maintenance that ICE requires.

How much does it cost to have a licensed electrician convert one of your garage outlets to 240V power so that you don't have to spend two full days charging this truck?
Lots of variable here too but for an L2 charger install you're looking at around $1,000 to 2,000: How to Install an Electric Car Charging Station. I'm sure you can find scenarios where it's a lot more or a lot less.

How much of that <250 mile range are you going to lose when you hook a trailer to this truck?
Depends on how much you're towing, but I've read that the F150 Lightning towing 10,000 pounds will see range cut in half. That'll get you 150 miles for the bigger pack which is required for max towing (regular non-towing range is 300 miles). Obviously smaller loads will create less of a decrease in range.

What happens when you decide to go on a long trip and there are only a handful of places to stop and charge the truck overnight?
Charging stations are almost everywhere. Here's a map from chargehub.com showing public charging locations around the Stillwater Oklahoma area. Some are even free! But I'm sure if you look out west you can probably find areas where they're far more scarce. Blues are L2 and yellows are L3 (DCFC) which can charge most batteries to 80% in about 30 minutes.

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How are we going to generate enough electricity to constantly charge hundreds of millions of these huge battery packs across the nation daily?
Good question. It's estimated to take much more generation and if so I'm sure we'll solve that like we solved all the other problems to this point. My personal theory is that point of use generation will ultimately more than make up the difference but that's just me.

I think that EVs are a political gimmick to try and reel people in to believing that the government is doing something great for them, but those people aren't taking the time to give this any rational thought.
I think lots of smart people have given this tremendous amounts of thought. Personally I never viewed it as the government giving me anything, although they do subsidize it just like they do for oil and gas as well as farming and other things. To many (most?) people, EVs are simply a superior product. That's how I see it anyway, and virtually all the people I know who own one would say the same.
 
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How much more does a F-150 "Lightning" cost over the same truck with an ICE, equipped the same?

What happens to that 1,800 lb. battery cell when it fails in the future?

How detrimental to the environment is the factory that manufactures all those battery packs? The emissions they emit alone are equivalent to MANY modern ICE trucks I'll bet.

With a 180 kWh battery pack that will cost $25ish bucks every time you charge it, and can realistically only take you <250 miles, how will you ever save money over the current modern ICE trucks that are seeing $0.10 to $0.12 per mile on 87 octane pump gas or diesel?

How much does it cost to have a licensed electrician convert one of your garage outlets to 240V power so that you don't have to spend two full days charging this truck?

How much of that <250 mile range are you going to lose when you hook a trailer to this truck?

What happens when you decide to go on a long trip and there are only a handful of places to stop and charge the truck overnight?

How are we going to generate enough electricity to constantly charge hundreds of millions of these huge battery packs across the nation daily?

I think that EVs are a political gimmick to try and reel people in to believing that the government is doing something great for them, but those people aren't taking the time to give this any rational thought.
That's a lot of questions for a truck that won't be on sale until 2022.

The base price is about $40,000, but there is no price info on extras. That buys you the base 250 mile battery.

Batteries rarely "fail," but they lose capacity. They may be repurposed to residential storage before finally being recycled.

Germany is opening a lithium mine, so I suspect pollution controls are possible. That's an implementation problem.

$25 per charge is scalper prices. Charging at home will cost a small fraction of that. If you burn more than a gallon of gas a day, you will come out ahead switching to an EV. Road taxes will be collected by mileage, not at the pump.

Wiring a 50 amp 240v. plug is pretty simple. Even if you hire an electrician, $200 should cover it. If you do it yourself, $40 should be plenty.

Word is you lose about half the range towing a trailer that weighs as much as the truck. If you do long range towing, stick with diesel. I think the talk of a battery semi is BS, though I wouldn't be surprised to see a battery powered motor home in the future. Most modern campgrounds have 240v. hookups.

Generating capacity is not currently a problem, but distribution is. That's an artifact of our creaky infrastructure, much of which was built out during rural electrification in the 1930s. It's time for America to quit living in Grandpa's basement and start supporting itself.
 
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