Compact Tractor Diesel Particulate Filters (DPF) Version 2.0

[powersrp]

actually it will tell me its time to get the drill bits out.

 

[jeff9366]

Tier IV emission standards require tractor manufacturers to add or revise pollution reduction technology on new tractors generating over 19 kW power = 25.4794 horsepower. Tier IV began phasing in during 2009, retail conversion was almost complete in 2013 when I bought my 'Tier IV' Kubota L3560. Old news in 2020.

Compact tractors used in residential applications such as lawn mowing, gardening and landscaping average sixty (60) engine hours of use per year. Tier IV tractors regenerate about once every sixty engine hours.

That is ONE regeneration per YEAR. Regeneration takes about sixteen minutes.

The earth is not flat. The sky has not fallen. New tractor sales continue apace.

If you decide on a pre Tier IV tractor it will have to be pre-2013.

I for one appreciate today's cleaner burning diesel engines.

 

[jeff9366]

Tier IV emission standards require tractor manufacturers to add or revise pollution reduction technology on new tractors generating over 19 kW power = 25.4794 horsepower. Tier 4 sets the limits but does not say how to reach them.

 

[jeff9366]

I opted for the Kubota L2501 over the L3301 based on simplicity. The L2501 has no computer and no diesel particulate filter. It is probably as simple as a tractor gets today.

However, in the interest of full disclosure, the simple L2501, designed to skirt Tier IV emissions requirements, (legally) spews a lot of diesel particulates. According to those more knowledgeable than I on emissions, the L3301 with a Tier IV diesel particulate filter/incinerator spews less than 1% of the pollution load of an L2501 with a traditional, low-tech muffler.

 

[ptsg]

I opted for the Kubota L2501 over the L3301 based on simplicity. The L2501 has no computer and no diesel particulate filter. It is probably as simple as a tractor gets today.

However, in the interest of full disclosure, the simple L2501, designed to skirt Tier IV emissions requirements, (legally) spews a lot of diesel particulates. According to those more knowledgeable than I on emissions, the L3301 with a Tier IV diesel particulate filter/incinerator spews less than 1% of the pollution load of an L2501 with a traditional, low-tech muffler.

25HP and under tractors are not designed to skirt Tier IV emissions requirements. They still need to meet the emission requirements, although the emissions requirements for 25hp and less are much more forgiving and manufacturers can get away with it by simply playing with fuel and timing without having the need to add a DPF and all sorts of non sense.

 

[Bearsixty7]

I for one appreciate today's cleaner burning diesel engines.

I don't think anyone WANTS a less clean burning engine.
But what we don't want is systems/components/sensors that are prone to fail and that basically puts a tractor or vehicle in a limp mode or worse, shuts it down requiring we haul it to a dealer or even worse, pay extra for them to come get it, when they can.

Then there is the additional exorbitant price to have the system/DPF cleaned or replaced every x number of years.

At the prices we pay, they should use more reliable parts that are less likely to fail coupled with better prices for these parts/sensors when we do have to replace them. Include troubleshooting guides and better diagnostics for us to be self sufficient when they fail.

 

[jeff9366]

Neil Messick, of Messick's Tractor in Pennsylvania, states in his videos on emissions technology that 90% of emission technology problems are created by OPERATOR ERROR.

I remember a recent post where a dealer had driven to a customers property three times to respond to regeneration complaints. Each time the dealer showed the customer how to initiate the regeneration process. The third visit the dealer told the customer succeeding regeneration visits would be $250. No more regeneration problems reported to the dealer from that customer.

I have had my Kubota L3560 for eight years. It was the first Tier IV tractor sold new by my Kubota dealer. It passes through regeneration every sixty engine hours without a hiccup.

Then there is the additional exorbitant price to have the system/DPF cleaned or replaced every x number of years.

The average residential tractor operates eighty engine hours per year, according to industry surveys.

3,000 hours DPF Life / 80 hours = 37.5 years of residential use prior to DPF replacement.

Diesel Particulate Filter supersedes tractor muffler.
At some point in time DPF needs to be replaced.
At some point in time tractors with mufflers need the muffler replaced.

 

[Bearsixty7]

Neil Messick, of Messick's Tractor in Pennsylvania, states in his videos on emissions technology that 90% of emission technology problems are created by OPERATOR ERROR.

I remember a recent post where a dealer had driven to a customers property three times to respond to regeneration complaints. Each time the dealer showed the customer how to initiate the regeneration process. The third visit the dealer told the customer succeeding regeneration visits would be $250. No more regeneration problems reported to the dealer from that customer.

I have had my Kubota L3560 for eight years. It was the first Tier IV tractor sold new by my Kubota dealer. It passes through regeneration every sixty engine hours without a hiccup.

Then there is the additional exorbitant price to have the system/DPF cleaned or replaced every x number of years.

I don't know if I'll agree with 90% just based on the posts I've seen on various FB pages of issues. I'd agree with 50%-60% is operator induced.

So you have had 8 years and how many hours trouble free?

The average residential tractor operates eighty engine hours per year, according to industry surveys.

3,000 hours DPF Life / 80 hours = 37.5 years of residential use prior to DPF replacement.

Diesel Particulate Filter supersedes tractor muffler.
At some point in time DPF needs to be replaced.
At some point in time tractors with mufflers need the muffler replaced.

I hope that is close to reality but we will see. Also, mufflers cost a fraction of a DPF.

I already have 110 in under a year so once we move to our retirement property in a few years, I expect use to increase so I'll use 200 hrs. a year which means replacement every 15 years. Probably twice in my remaining lifetime. I hope that's as bad as it gets and I can afford it.

 

[deserteagle71]

I already have 110 in under a year so once we move to our retirement property in a few years, I expect use to increase so I'll use 200 hrs. a year which means replacement every 15 years. Probably twice in my remaining lifetime. I hope that's as bad as it gets and I can afford it.

I wouldn't worry about it....in 15 years, the way this country is going, your diesel engine will have been legislated out of existence. Or even buy diesel fuel. Have you seen the news reports this week of the attacks on Exxon, Chevron, and Shell - by their own stockholders?

 

[Williy]

The Yanmar YT235C that I ordered says about every
50 hours you need to re-gen instructions are push re-gen button and keep on working so don't have to stop
working with a Yanmar tractor

willy

 

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Neil Messick, of Messick's Tractor in Pennsylvania, states in his videos on emissions technology that 90% of emission technology problems are created by OPERATOR ERROR.

I remember a recent post where a dealer had driven to a customers property three times to respond to regeneration complaints. Each time the dealer showed the customer how to initiate the regeneration process. The third visit the dealer told the customer succeeding regeneration visits would be $250. No more regeneration problems reported to the dealer from that customer.

I have had my Kubota L3560 for eight years. It was the first Tier IV tractor sold new by my Kubota dealer. It passes through regeneration every sixty engine hours without a hiccup.

Then there is the additional exorbitant price to have the system/DPF cleaned or replaced every x number of years.

The average residential tractor operates eighty engine hours per year, according to industry surveys.

3,000 hours DPF Life / 80 hours = 37.5 years of residential use prior to DPF replacement.

Diesel Particulate Filter supersedes tractor muffler.
At some point in time DPF needs to be replaced.
At some point in time tractors with mufflers need the muffler replaced.

A new DPF for my Ram Cummins costs $4,611.00

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This is what people with real diesels have to face.....

Explained: Diesel Emissions & Aftertreatment Equipment

An in-depth look at diesel exhaust emissions and the various strategies and aftertreatment equipment utilized to meet emissions regulations.

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But that's okay, you don't have one, right?

 

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Forgot, DEF Tank, complete kit -- $2,498.

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2017 Ram 2500 LONGHORN CREW CAB Diesel Exhaust Fluid System.

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EGR is about $1,000 too. But almost all vehicles have those. They fail a lot, too. One of our biggest repairs at the Shop.

 

[Username Taken]

I wouldn't worry about it....in 15 years, the way this country is going, your diesel engine will have been legislated out of existence. Or even buy diesel fuel. Have you seen the news reports this week of the attacks on Exxon, Chevron, and Shell - by their own stockholders?

Yeah, but they don't tell you who those 'stockholders' are. Amazon, Apple, Alphabet, Microsoft.... The usual suspects.

It's not Mom and Dad or your Local School Board's IRA that's doing it. It's Big Tech.

Big Tech will be the ones to benefit the most by killing off Exxon and Mobile.

We might starve, our children might be malnourished. But they and their cjhildren will be just fine. You can count on that

 

[jeff9366]

But that's okay, you don't have one, right?

My diesel ownership has been confined to one diesel VW Rabbit, one John Deere diesel tractor and two Kubota diesel tractors.

Were you physically coerced at the Chrysler dealer?
Or was your choice of a Ram truck voluntary?

 

[jeff9366]

Have you seen the news reports this week of the attacks on Exxon, Chevron, and Shell - by their own stockholders?

Shoot, I thought the oil majors were having annual shareholder meetings, required by law, at which the shareholder/owners shape the company future through electing directors.

In the case of Shell, because of its British/Dutch heritage, I expect a significant number, probably a majority of its shareholders, are non-US.

Presumably almost all shareholders of stocks are interested in the long term profitability of the businesses they own.

 

[Username Taken]

Shoot, I thought the oil majors were having annual shareholder meetings, required by law, at which the shareholder/owners shape the company future through electing directors.

In the case of Shell, because of its British/Dutch heritage, I expect a significant number, probably a majority of its shareholders, are non-US.

Presumably almost all shareholders of stocks are interested in the long term profitability of the businesses they own.

Not accurate. There have been hundreds of hostile takeovers orchestrated by stockholders. Some want to keep the company profitable, up and running smoothly, while others want to run the Company into the ground for different reasons. Usually because they're competitors.

And Royal Dutch Shell is an International Corporate Conglomerate listed on the NYSE. It would be wrong to assume any one group owns a majprity of them.

Like I said above, the people with the most cash are the Big Tech Companies. By far. Not even close. They have to do something with it and there's nothing they love more than meddling. Why did Bezos buy the Washington Post to use as his own personal Blog? MGM? Both are losers with little to no outlook for a profitable future, so....

He who tells the people what to think does not have to be King.

We're not going to change each others minds, so let's just accept that and move along

 

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[Number15]

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LOL that's funny right there

I still might take the Porsche instead, but I'd have to think about it

 

[deserteagle71]

Not accurate. There have been hundreds of hostile takeovers orchestrated by stockholders. Some want to keep the company profitable, up and running smoothly, while others want to run the Company into the ground for different reasons. Usually because they're competitors.

And Royal Dutch Shell is an International Corporate Conglomerate listed on the NYSE. It would be wrong to assume any one group owns a majprity of them.

Like I said above, the people with the most cash are the Big Tech Companies. By far. Not even close. They have to do something with it and there's nothing they love more than meddling. Why did Bezos buy the Washington Post to use as his own personal Blog? MGM? Both are losers with little to no outlook for a profitable future, so....

He who tells the people what to think does not have to be King.

We're not going to change each others minds, so let's just accept that and move along

The reports I've seen say that these stockholders want the major oil companies to get away from fossil fuels and go with something that produces less carbon. Which is why I made that post about availability of diesel fuel. If they quit making diesel we will all be in trouble - and paying exorbitant prices if we are able to buy it.

 

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The reports I've seen say that these stockholders want the major oil companies to get away from fossil fuels and go with something that produces less carbon. Which is why I made that post about availability of diesel fuel. If they quit making diesel we will all be in trouble - and paying exorbitant prices if we are able to buy it.

Yeah, which brings us to the question: Why would 'stockholders' buy into a Company that produces 'fossil fuels' (one of the biggest misnomers ever) for a living and try to kill the fossil fuel industry, their very own investments?

They'll cover their shenanigans by saying they want the company to explore other forms of energy. Hogwash. Complete and utter BS.

The people buying the stocks, the people trying to remove uncooperative board members (called a 'proxy fight') is nothing more than Big Tech trying to eliminate the competition. Look into who's behind it. Sure, they'll lose some money on their Exxon stock if they cripple the company, but they'll more than make it up when they have a monopoly on the entire Energy Sector.

Which is their aim.

If you can control the energy sector, you control the people.

We can live without Apple (the world's richest company)
We'd be just fine without Microsoft (the world's 2nd richest company)
Amazon is at #4 richest Company on the Planet
Alphabet (Google) is at #5
And Facebook at #6 which, AFAIC could go up in a cloud of smoke, is the 6th richest company in the known Universe.

Look at the richest companies on the Planet and tell me what you think of the ownership? Who they are, what are their plans, how do they feel about our way of life and whether they care about the USA as it is currently constructed.

Look up the biggest companies by market cap.

Apple is currently worth over 2 Trillion (that is TRILLION with a 'T') dollars. Two thousand billion dollars. For what? Selling trinkets....

Exxon is worth 240 Billion.... (For feeding, clothing and keeping alive the world) On a good day. 1/8th what Apple is worth. And there's ten other companies just like Apple that are bigger than Exxon run by people that are Apple's fellow travelers. Look at the world's richest companies and tell us how many of them are the e-vul corporate conservative we've been hearing about all our lives.

They've sneaked up on you and taken over. And nobody even noticed because, frankly, nobody told them to notice. Rachel Madcow didn't alert you to it.

*Note; when I say 'you' I don't mean you personally, I mean 'you' as a collective pronoun that includes the entire citizenry of the US.