Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

Automakers studying environmental impact of lithium mining

Maybe some forethought will sidestep some fossil fuel extraction mistakes of yesteryears.

 

[3930dave]

Paying for roads with a gas tax is another example of a good idea broken by bad execution. With EVs taking over, probably the best way is to just tax the vehicle up front when purchased for whatever road tax the vehicle would be subject to (or the govt needs to collect) over its lifetime and get rid of the gas tax altogether. That way ICE or EV pays the same and the rich folks buying expensive new vehicles would in practice pay a little more in tax than the guy buying used.

Income Tax was brought in as a temporary measure in Canada. to fund WW I. Very few taxes ever disappear (meaning the mechanism of; the money itself vapourizes in zero time).

Many average folk here have trouble enough buying a new car now, let alone with lifetime taxes applied up front...... but, as another tool in the toolbox to discourage more people from owning vehicles, that has legs !

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

Here off read diesel has federal tax, but no state tax.

Most provinces here have marked diesel for off-road use. More rare, but I've even seen marked gasoline in Ag areas in BC.

I could likely track down marked diesel near home, but as I don't put many hours/year on my tractor (ag), and I have a road going diesel, I decided a long time ago just to keep road (taxed) diesel in any spare cans I have.

The one time I had to fill a truck at the side of a road from my can, it was a friend of a friend's truck. With my relationship with Murphy, if it was my truck I was trying to limp somewhere - putting Marked diesel into it would have guaranteed that 10 miles down the road I would have been waved over to have the tank dipped.

Taxing personal mobility (vehicles; the other meaning is a different, much longer story....) is big business for any govt. As the market transitions to EV, the tax strategy will migrate, as it already has started to in some areas.....

The House, Always Wins.

Rgds, D.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

First FSD beta without radar.

Daytime version of the above test.

 

[goeduck]

^^^ our off road diesel is red, I use it in my tractors but never in my on road vehicles. That said, I know of no one who has ever had their tank dipped. Maybe in the more agricultural counties they do, but here our cops probably don't even know about it.

I cannot say that electronic tamper proof odometers would not be the way to go for fair taxation. My county gets back $0.39 for road projects per every dollar of fuel tax we pay. In WA we pay about $0.68 per gallon federal and local taxes ranking us 3rd highest in the country behind PA and CA.

 

[Solitary Man]

Quite so, at least when it comes to vehicles.
The gas tax does not know ones income.
A poor guy with his older, less fuel efficient car pays more gas tax.
Poorer people generally use trucks more often to do manual labor jobs, so they consume more fuel and pay more tax.
If the government is going to subsidize EVs and really wants to help the poor and the hungry, it should give priority to people on the margins and make the rich guys pay full cost. Lol

Let's see. Tax the rich to pay for the poor. Been there, done that. Please tell me you have a plan B.

 

[Fixastuff]

Let's see. Tax the rich to pay for the poor. Been there, done that. Please tell me you have a plan B.

Just have the rich pay the same 33% average that us normal citizens pay. I know they pay more $ amount of taxes than us peasants but it seems to me if you have 99% of the wealth you should be paying 99% of the taxes.

 

[Hay Dude]

Paying for roads with a gas tax is another example of a good idea broken by bad execution. With EVs taking over, probably the best way is to just tax the vehicle up front when purchased for whatever road tax the vehicle would be subject to (or the govt needs to collect) over its lifetime and get rid of the gas tax altogether. That way ICE or EV pays the same and the rich folks buying expensive new vehicles would in practice pay a little more in tax than the guy buying used.

So why are they doing the opposite? Instead of taxing them they are subsidizing them! How many EVs are on the road now? A million? Such a thrill to know I am subsidizing my rich clown neighbors Tesla!
Kinda like the opposite of what they should be doing?
Sounds like the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Currently Tesla and GM EV buyers do not get a tax credit.

 

[Solitary Man]

Currently Tesla and GM EV buyers do not get a tax credit.

Correct.

When does Tesla’s tax credit phase out?​

Tesla’s $7,500 tax credit per vehicle drops to $3,750 on Jan. 1, 2019. It drops to $1,875 on July 1, 2019, then vanishes entirely on Jan. 1, 2020.