Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Agvg]

How is income determined or proved for paying fines?

The government usually have a pretty good idea how much you earn as you pay taxes on income in most western countries.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Mission Valley's John Hine Mazda closing its doors after 64 years in San Diego

Technology is not only changing the cars we buy but also HOW we buy them. Sounds like Carvana is making a huge impact as traditional car dealerships fade away since pure EV makers tend not to outsource sales to third parties.

 

[sd455dan]

Mission Valley's John Hine Mazda closing its doors after 64 years in San Diego

Technology is not only changing the cars we buy but also HOW we buy them. Sounds like Carvana is making a huge impact as traditional car dealerships fade away since pure EV makers tend not to outsource sales to third parties.

Cautionary tale of what can go wrong with an online vendor. Couple parts to this TheFastLane car experience/nightmare.

This was not CARVANA to be clear and also not a pure EV but a plugin hybrid

 

[Gale Hawkins]

There are countries where road violation fines are based on income.

Kind of like child support?

 

[Jchonline]

No one suggested a single Powerwall would let a surgeon's house stay off-grid. It will keep the PV system running which was the original prompt of this discussion, the surgeons' surprise their homes' PV shut down when the grid shut down.

"5kwh an hour"? An hour squared?

Electric water heater elements are typically 3500W-5500W, 4500W is most common. Two per water heater but only one runs unless demand is heavy. One element would be about 5kW for estimating purposes and 5kWh if left on for an hour.

A Tesla Powerwall 2 is rated for 5.8kVA (kW but allowing for power factor) continuous output.

The first Powerwall costs $3k extra for the installation of a Tesla Energy Gateway. This monitors the flow of power in/out and disconnects from the utility in the event of an outage. And reconnects when the grid resumes. Controls are added for things such as water heaters and slow starts for HVAC so as not to slam the Powerwall(s). The Energy Gateway can automatically disable the hot water heater.

The original discussion was of California surgeons disappointed their elaborate PV systems did not keep their home running during CA rolling brownouts. Tesla recommends 2-3 Powerwalls for 12kW PV systems. The Powerwall serves to bank PV power if your grid-tie pays less for your PV power than it sells its power to you. For those with aggressive T.O.U. pricing the Powerwall can charge off the grid at night to provide lower cost power during the day, no PV system required. The Tesla Energy Gateway is where these decisions are made. Tesla subscribes to weather forecasting services and will alter your energy schedule accordingly.

My modest home in northern Alabama can consume 1800 kWh on a hot summer or cold winter month. Or 700 kWh on a mild month. Call it 60 kWh/day. Have been pleasantly surprised at how little power friends' homes in California consume. The difference here is no developer will build more than stick walls with brick veneer and insulation blown in the attic. In CA friends' walls were 18-24" thick and roof was ceramic tile.

Yes, Tesla built the Powerwall specifically to combat the energy costs in CA.

Surge capacity is one thing, but no free lunch. If you run an electric hot water heater, it just runs at 4kW when heating water. Sure a heat pump is much more efficient, but still thousands of kW usage a year.

I use about 12-15kWh/day. Home is very energy efficient (less than 5 air exchanges/hour, R60 ceiling R40 walls, triple pane glass on South, etc) . We do use propane for hot water, radiant. Wood stove for most heat in the winter with in-floor radiant as backup.

Ironically most of that usage is technology stuff and pumps (soft start well pump, pressure pump, septic pump, radiant pump). Computer for work, Starlink (pulls 100W by itself).

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Russia Is Finally Embracing The Electric Vehicle Boom | OilPrice.com

Elon Musk has mentioned Russia might support a Giga Factory.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

No, but I'd like to see people pay a similar percentage of their income in taxes so we'd all have skin in the game. Yes, the flat tax! AHHHHHhhhhhh! No caps on FICA either. But that's income related, not fuel related, which we're discussing here.

Bob makes $35K per year and drives 15,000 miles a year in a car that gets decent gas mileage. He uses about 500 gallons of gas a year.

Bill makes $250K per year and drives 15,000 miles a year in a car that gets the same decent mileage. He uses about 500 gallons of gas a year as well.

They both live in Indiana, where the taxes are about 65 cents per gallon of gas, so both pay about $325 in gas taxes per year.

So:
Bob pays about 0.93% of his annual income in fuel taxes.
Bill pays about 0.13% of his annual income in fuel taxes.

Bob pays a bit over 7 times the amount of his total income in fuel taxes that Bill does.

Also, figure Bob and Bill both pay $1500 a year for fuel at $3 per gallon.
Bob pays 4.29% of his total income for fuel.
Bill pays 0.6% of his total income for fuel.

Sucks to be Bob.

Most of us can understand that we can apply that same example to groceries, utilities, mortgages, car payments, insurance, healthcare, costs associated with children, and even tractors.

When you start looking at things in that manner, you start wondering how everyone can pay their fair share without overcharging lower income people so they don't feel screwed, or penalizing people that have higher income so they don't feel screwed.

How that could be accomplished with cars, metered mileage, and fuel tax is beyond me.

Taxing people lead to a new world power 250 years ago and a declining future for the taxer so it's a touchy subject.

I expected fuel tax question will take care of itself as the private ownership of cars drops like a rock in the future. At state level some EV owners pay no road tax and others are paying more than fossil fueled car owners do. At the federal level there may be continuing bribes to buy EV and I do not know what is happening to the fuel tax at the Federal level.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

How is income determined or proved for paying fines?

Perhaps like it is for child support?

 

[Jchonline]

Russia Is Finally Embracing The Electric Vehicle Boom | OilPrice.com

Elon Musk has mentioned Russia might support a Giga Factory.

Very interesting given their plentiful supply of fossil fuels. Maybe even Russia is tired of the pollution?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

In the USA is if you have a social security number you have no privacy financially speaking.